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Reply #30 posted 07/15/16 6:15pm

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BillieBalloon said:

They're now reporting the coup has failed and the president is back in Istanbul.

Don't belıeve the hype.

Explosıons at the parlıament buıldıng.

Shootıngs outsıde the CNN buıldıng.

Some guys trıed to down a helıcopter ın Ankara ( I thınk the helıcopter was shot at from Erdogan's palace).

One of the weırder sıtuatıons I have experıenced so far.

I thınk tomorrow nothıng wıll be the same.

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Reply #31 posted 07/15/16 8:49pm

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KoolEaze said:

BillieBalloon said:

They're now reporting the coup has failed and the president is back in Istanbul.

Don't belıeve the hype.

Explosıons at the parlıament buıldıng.

Shootıngs outsıde the CNN buıldıng.

Some guys trıed to down a helıcopter ın Ankara ( I thınk the helıcopter was shot at from Erdogan's palace).

One of the weırder sıtuatıons I have experıenced so far.

I thınk tomorrow nothıng wıll be the same.

As the saying goes, the 1st casuality of war is the truth.

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Reply #32 posted 07/15/16 9:18pm

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Praying for you Koolease... and your country...
Stay safe....


Blessing and peace
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Reply #33 posted 07/15/16 10:27pm

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Stay safe KoolEaze. hug
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Reply #34 posted 07/15/16 10:32pm

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Praying for you Koolease... and your country... Stay safe.... Blessing and peace

Thanks!

Internet is working again.

Clashes between the army and the police (and clashes within the army....anti-government and pro-government). 60 people dead, 754 military members under arrest. Jetfighters flying above major cities, people protesting, clashes between Erdogan supporters and Erdogan protesters.

First rumors of all this being planned and staged to some extent by the government to solidify Erdogan's power ın times of chaos (much like Palpatine in Star Wars became the Emperor, or Putin became the man in charge in Russia).

Regardless of how this turns out, it is bad for the country.

Erdogan made the mosques sıng the call to prayer at a very inapproprıate time of the night as a call for his followers to take to the streets in support of him.

This is all very fishy and I have my doubts whether the faction of the Army that instigated this coup is really any better than Erdogan's regime. This is not like in the old days when the Army was 100% ın favor of secularism.

Something just isn't right here.

But at least I can access the org.

Facebook is onlıne agaın, too.

Let's see what's going to happen next.

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Reply #35 posted 07/15/16 10:33pm

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Stay safe KoolEaze. hug

Thank you.

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Reply #36 posted 07/16/16 12:52am

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Erdogan can make his final move to secure his power and clear the road to let Turkye become a islamic state. Well played.

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Reply #37 posted 07/16/16 2:26am

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It's a shame how the EU and USA and rest of the world keep kissing his ass.

I think there's much more to this.Some things just don't add up.

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Reply #38 posted 07/16/16 3:41am

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KoolEaze said:

It's a shame how the EU and USA and rest of the world keep kissing his ass.

I think there's much more to this.Some things just don't add up.

Hope you're doing well, KoolEaze.

I had good hopes that it would mean the end of Erdogan.
As it looks now, the coup has failed. This will make Erdo 's position even stronger. He will soon have the absolute power he always wanted.

There are some speculations that he might have orchestrated last nights events himself... eek

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Reply #39 posted 07/16/16 5:34am

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TweetyV6 said:

KoolEaze said:

It's a shame how the EU and USA and rest of the world keep kissing his ass.

I think there's much more to this.Some things just don't add up.

Hope you're doing well, KoolEaze.

I had good hopes that it would mean the end of Erdogan.
As it looks now, the coup has failed. This will make Erdo 's position even stronger. He will soon have the absolute power he always wanted.

There are some speculations that he might have orchestrated last nights events himself... eek

Thank goodness nothing like that could ever happen in the U.S.

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Reply #40 posted 07/16/16 6:59am

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Turkey's top judicial board HSYK dismisses 2,745 judges over coup attempt

http://in.reuters.com/art...NKCN0ZW0OZ

If this is true, so soon after this failed coup, then it is safe to say that Erdogan goes ahead with the purges. He has a firm grip on the media. He has made significant changes in the military last few years.

Secular people have little to no change of getting a job in the governement. He is now free to speed up his wishes to change the constitution. Official channels connected to the state (Erdogan's state) have voiced the need to change the constitution in wich there will "more emphassis" on islam and religion as a guiding pricipal for the state of Turkye. Btw religion means the Sunni belief. Alevism for instance is not considered as a religion but a path outside islam and is discriminated considerably by denying their places of worship a religious status. Assad (Syria) is Alevite and is considered an enemy of islam. That is the reason why Turkye did not press down on IS, because it has more kinship with IS than with Alevites.

I will spare you the details of the videos that are spreading over the internet now, in which Erdogan-followers lynch soldiers that participated in the coup. As leaders of the free western world start voicing their support for the "democratic" forces within Turkey, they are actually supporting a person that has perverted an corrupted the democracy in his country to a point that it has become non-functional and forced the last secular forces in this desperate attempt.

Several high EU officials have lauded the "victory of democracy" in these last 12 hours. They fail to understand that it's most likely that true democracy just has gotten its final blow in Turkye.

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Reply #41 posted 07/16/16 10:22am

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The thing is, we can be anti-Erdogan all we want, but the fact remains that millions of Turks voted for him and took to the streets yesterday night to support him. It reminds me a lot of the situation in Egypt: after the fall of Mubarak, elections were held and, like it or not, won by the Muslim Brotherhood. And then their president Morsi was overthrown by the army and now the country is back to a military dictatorship. So the situation in Turkey right now is hardly a "victory for democracy", but a military dictatorship is no better.
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Reply #42 posted 07/16/16 11:06am

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We should never support a coup.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #43 posted 07/16/16 11:06am

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Hillary supported the Honduran coup.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #44 posted 07/16/16 12:15pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

We should never support a coup.

"Coups and Democracy"

Nikolay Marinov and Hein Goemans*

Abstract

This study uses new data on coups d’état and elections to document a striking development: whereas the vast majority of successful coups before 1991 installed durable rules, the majority of coups after that have been followed by competitive elections. The article argues that after the Cold War, international pressure influenced the consequences of coups. In the post-Cold War era, countries that were most dependent on Western aid were the first to embrace competitive elections after their coups. This theory also helps explain the pronounced decline in the number of coups since 1991. While the coup d’état has been (and still is) the single most important factor leading to the downfall of democratic governments, these findings indicate that the new generation of coups has been far less harmful for democracy than their historical predecessors.

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Never is such a definitive word

[Edited 7/16/16 12:16pm]

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Reply #45 posted 07/16/16 12:24pm

NorthC

^ Examples please.
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Reply #46 posted 07/16/16 12:50pm

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NorthC said:

^ Examples please.

Has your internet broken?

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Reply #47 posted 07/16/16 12:53pm

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https://twitter.com/Mexlumy

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Reply #48 posted 07/16/16 12:59pm

NorthC

mordang said:



NorthC said:


^ Examples please.



Has your internet broken?


Have you read your own signature?
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Reply #49 posted 07/16/16 1:35pm

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http://www.scoopnest.com/...3674864640

http://turkey.liveuamap.c...s-and-none

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Judges being fired. Deathpenalty is demanded. Islamists on the streets attacking Kurds and people living in secular areas. Lynching of unarmed soldiers. There was a coup alright. It was a coup on freedom. It was a coup by Erdogan.

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Reply #50 posted 07/16/16 2:04pm

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mordang said:

http://www.scoopnest.com/...3674864640

http://turkey.liveuamap.c...s-and-none

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Judges being fired. Deathpenalty is demanded. Islamists on the streets attacking Kurds and people living in secular areas. Lynching of unarmed soldiers. There was a coup alright. It was a coup on freedom. It was a coup by Erdogan.

Things are much more complıcated than that.

The part about Kurds is debatable (Kurds in Diyarbakır are cheering for Erdoğan as I'm typing this).

The lynching of unarmed soldiers who had already given up is horrible (and especially how they did it).

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You are right that it was also a coup by Erdoğan but guess what? The Gülen movement who was behind the coup are just as bad as Erdoğan's gang. They are two sides of the same coin.

If the coup had been done by the secular forces in the army, we'd have a reason to celebrate.

But it was done by only a faction of the army, namely Gülen's moles in the army, sleepers who were activated to strike yesterday.

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And they pretended to be representing the secular forces of the army. Really secular, republican soldiers would not attack the parlıament building and kills people randomly.

Of course many religious nutjobs started blaming and harrassing and attacking secular people and they still do because those barbarians are feeling invincible now.

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This ''coup'' would have led to total chaos and in the end, the sharia faction would have won.

Even the Kurdish leader Selahattin Demirtaş and the secular socialdemocrat leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu said so.

Now people here want Gülen to be extradited to Turkey for promoting terrorism and chaos.

As much as I hate Erdoğan, if he had gotten killed there would have been civil war and bloodshed.

Maybe it's just a matter of time.

Still many factors that look fishy and suspicious to me.

And you are right, this is a disaster for freedom and secularism.

This is going to give him unprecedented powers.

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Reply #51 posted 07/16/16 2:14pm

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TweetyV6 said:

KoolEaze said:

It's a shame how the EU and USA and rest of the world keep kissing his ass.

I think there's much more to this.Some things just don't add up.

Hope you're doing well, KoolEaze.

I had good hopes that it would mean the end of Erdogan.
As it looks now, the coup has failed. This will make Erdo 's position even stronger. He will soon have the absolute power he always wanted.

There are some speculations that he might have orchestrated last nights events himself... eek

Thank you!

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I understand the speculations and some things just make you wonder but, all in all, in hindsight it's a good thing that the coup failed.

Coups are often a disaster for a country and only justified when there is absolutely no oher way, and in this case, there could not possibly been a ''successful'' coup. If this comparatively small group of Gülen fundamentalists pretending to be the defenders of secularism had succeeded in killing him the aftermath would have been terrible for everbody, and most of all for all those who don't practıce religion.

There are some really crazy and sick people out there doing sick things.

I am glad that things have calmed down a little rigt now. Still don't trust the calm.

As far as the speculations go.....there are some things that make you scratch your head but some of the speculations I have read on the net are a bit far fetched.

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Keep in mind that he almost got killed and he lost a close friend and that friend's son.

Both shot by the wannabe ''secular'' rebels.

He will soon be more powerful than ever before.

He's a bit like Nero now.

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Reply #52 posted 07/16/16 2:15pm

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NorthC said:

mordang said:

Has your internet broken?

Have you read your own signature?

Point taken.

The claim is not extraordinary btw, just counterintuitive. And as for evidence..I will try to answer to best of my knowledge....Honduras, Thailand (hope I spell that right), a whole lot of arabic spring countries...Tunesia, Egypt, Libya...Bahrein or Jemen (not sure about those)?....There is Burkina Fasso and Venuzuela....Fiji....

The book says 1991....was there a coup in Russia that year? Gorbatjov...Jeltsin? Or was that before?

All had democratic elections at one point or another.

I must have forgotten the some. But it would help if you try and search for a little bit of history yourself...you might find new things you never heard of. Try search coups in which there weren't elections afterwards in the same period? I haven't tried...but Somalia, Sudan? I don't know.

I remember another one with elections...Gambia. There must be more...I going to get a drink.

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Reply #53 posted 07/16/16 2:16pm

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CROWNS1 said:

TweetyV6 said:

Hope you're doing well, KoolEaze.

I had good hopes that it would mean the end of Erdogan.
As it looks now, the coup has failed. This will make Erdo 's position even stronger. He will soon have the absolute power he always wanted.

There are some speculations that he might have orchestrated last nights events himself... eek

Thank goodness nothing like that could ever happen in the U.S.

Really? Why not? I think this could especially happen in the U.S.

What makes you say that?

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Reply #54 posted 07/16/16 2:27pm

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The thing is, we can be anti-Erdogan all we want, but the fact remains that millions of Turks voted for him and took to the streets yesterday night to support him. It reminds me a lot of the situation in Egypt: after the fall of Mubarak, elections were held and, like it or not, won by the Muslim Brotherhood. And then their president Morsi was overthrown by the army and now the country is back to a military dictatorship. So the situation in Turkey right now is hardly a "victory for democracy", but a military dictatorship is no better.

Some valid points and a good example.

It's ironic though that the last coup, while still secular, was also meant to r-islamize secular Turkey because the US feared a left leaning country that is no longer strictly Islamıc might one day turn to communism. Hence the decision to reintroduce mandatory religious studies at school.

Part of the problem is the weak opposition and their lack of charismatic leaders.

Last year in June there were elections and they had the chance to get rid of Erdoğan by forming a coalition but it was a clash of interests and different agendas. So they repeated the elections and Erdoğan won. confused

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Reply #55 posted 07/16/16 3:40pm

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And to complicate matters even further, "democratically elected" is not the same as "democratic". The first means, "enough people voted for you to get you in power". The second means, "people who did not vote for you have the same rights as people who did". And this is where people like Erdogan and Putin fall short. And this is also where nationalism (and in Turkey's case, religion) comes in. Then we get to the point where people start to believe that you cannot be a true [insert name of nation] if you don't vote for [insert name of leader]. And then democracy gets murdered democratically.
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Reply #56 posted 07/16/16 3:41pm

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Now old news. All that happened was, some of the military were playing Pokemon Go and took it too far.

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Reply #57 posted 07/16/16 11:28pm

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And to complicate matters even further, "democratically elected" is not the same as "democratic". The first means, "enough people voted for you to get you in power". The second means, "people who did not vote for you have the same rights as people who did". And this is where people like Erdogan and Putin fall short. And this is also where nationalism (and in Turkey's case, religion) comes in. Then we get to the point where people start to believe that you cannot be a true [insert name of nation] if you don't vote for [insert name of leader]. And then democracy gets murdered democratically.

Well said. There are many countries where this is the case. Thank you KoolEaze for your really interesting insights of what's actually going on rather than the often bias media reports. I fear dark days lie ahead for Turkey now.

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Reply #58 posted 07/17/16 12:33am

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maplenpg said:

NorthC said:

And to complicate matters even further, "democratically elected" is not the same as "democratic". The first means, "enough people voted for you to get you in power". The second means, "people who did not vote for you have the same rights as people who did". And this is where people like Erdogan and Putin fall short. And this is also where nationalism (and in Turkey's case, religion) comes in. Then we get to the point where people start to believe that you cannot be a true [insert name of nation] if you don't vote for [insert name of leader]. And then democracy gets murdered democratically.

Well said. There are many countries where this is the case. Thank you KoolEaze for your really interesting insights of what's actually going on rather than the often bias media reports. I fear dark days lie ahead for Turkey now.

You're welcome.

Yes, Turkey will never be the same after this. Now Erdoğan is really, really angry and he can say ''Guess what? I was right about FETÖ. I told you so!'' . And even his critics will believe him after this spectacle. Everybody saw what the FETÖ (Gülen) terrorist organization is capable of, stealing F16 jetfighters, tanks and weapons.

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The FETÖ guys are just as bad as Erdoğan's people. They are very similar, too, which is normal when you consider that they were once allies united and on a mission to establish a more religious society and end secularism.

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I have no idea why the U.S is still protecting their leader. They did not even want him in the first place. The reason why he was allowed to stay in America is that Graham Fuller made sure he could stay. The government was initially very skeptical of Fetullah Gülen.

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Graham Fuller either underestimated the danger of protecting Gülen or he trusted a man that cannot be trusted. Gülen is an İslamist who pretends to stand for a moderate İslam. Which is a lie. Besides, modeate or not, religion and politics should always be separated. One should never have to follow or respect a religion if he or she does not want to.

By the way, you'd be very surprised if you knew who Graham Fuller's former son in law was. He's that Chechen-American uncle of those two Boston Marathon terrorists.

Just a coincidence but strange nevertheless.

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Reply #59 posted 07/17/16 5:08am

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NorthC said:

And to complicate matters even further, "democratically elected" is not the same as "democratic". The first means, "enough people voted for you to get you in power". The second means, "people who did not vote for you have the same rights as people who did". And this is where people like Erdogan and Putin fall short. And this is also where nationalism (and in Turkey's case, religion) comes in. Then we get to the point where people start to believe that you cannot be a true [insert name of nation] if you don't vote for [insert name of leader]. And then democracy gets murdered democratically. [Edited 7/16/16 15:42pm]

True, you can't have real democracy without pluralism, which is tolerance for a plurality of views. Erdogan's shutting down of two major tv networks shows he has contempt for freedom of expression. The military's heart was in the right place, they just didn't get enough collectibles.

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