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Thread started 11/09/16 3:58pm

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It is time that people on the Far Left stopped helping people on The Far Right get in power!

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"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Donald Trump
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Reply #1 posted 11/09/16 5:52pm

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Many Democrats didn't even vote.
Hillary is a right wing politician. She did not inspire them.
It's about time people on the left start backing actual progressives.
Donald and Hillary were too similar politically.
The left should of backed the Green Party, they did not.
Anyway, why should anyone compromise their beliefs.
Voting Hillary or Trump were not options for anyone remotely left wing.
Elitist war criminals. No thanks
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Hillary is what I have been told is a "moderate Republican" like most elitists She is socially liberal, fiscally and militaristic conservative.
She's a Bush or Mitt Romney type.
I wish these Republicans would stop occupying the left and let a real leftist/socialist in.
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #3 posted 11/09/16 6:58pm

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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #4 posted 11/09/16 7:09pm

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Bombing and killing innocent people at a wedding party in Yemen was not an issue for the left.
But God forbid a baker wouldn't bake a wedding cake for an LGBT couple in Manhattan.



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Reply #5 posted 11/09/16 7:26pm

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Liberals were at the forefront of "All lives matter" or wouldn't come out in support of Black lives matter inexplicably.
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Reply #6 posted 11/09/16 7:30pm

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Palestine. They support Zionist racism.
It's an endless list. Democrats are a party for elitists and white liberals.



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Reply #7 posted 11/09/16 9:29pm

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Reply #8 posted 11/09/16 10:09pm

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QueenofCardboard said:

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Anybody who didn't vote in this election has lost the right to complain for the next four years.


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No they haven't. Hillary and trump are disaster's. Some voted green some didn't bother choosing between Lucifer and satan.
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Reply #9 posted 11/09/16 10:28pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

QueenofCardboard said:

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Anybody who didn't vote in this election has lost the right to complain for the next four years.

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No they haven't. Hillary and trump are disaster's. Some voted green some didn't bother choosing between Lucifer and satan.

All voting Green handed the election to Trump...Thanks... rolleyes

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jjhunsecker said:



hausofmoi7 said:


QueenofCardboard said:

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Anybody who didn't vote in this election has lost the right to complain for the next four years.


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No they haven't. Hillary and trump are disaster's. Some voted green some didn't bother choosing between Lucifer and satan.


All voting Green handed the election to Trump...Thanks... rolleyes


Hillary is a wall Street war criminal.
All the Democrats should of backed the Green Party. Instead they voted for Hillary a moderate Republican running on the democrat ticket.( many didn't bother because she is just like trump)
People should be outraged at either presidency.
Sorry but Hillary was not an option.
She's a racist imperialist fiscally conservative mess.





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Reply #11 posted 11/09/16 10:41pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

jjhunsecker said:

All voting Green handed the election to Trump...Thanks... rolleyes

Hillary is a wall Street war criminal. All the Democrats should of backed the Green Party. Instead they voted for Hillary a moderate Republican running on the democrat ticket.( many didn't bother because she is just like trump) People should be outraged at either presidency. Sorry but Hillary was not an option. She's a racist imperialist fiscally conservative mess. . . [Edited 11/9/16 22:39pm]

She could have been Eva Braun...she would have STILL been better than Trump...and she had a chance to win

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Henry Messenger and George Bush were backing her. That's how far right she was.
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jjhunsecker said:



hausofmoi7 said:


jjhunsecker said:



All voting Green handed the election to Trump...Thanks... rolleyes



Hillary is a wall Street war criminal. All the Democrats should of backed the Green Party. Instead they voted for Hillary a moderate Republican running on the democrat ticket.( many didn't bother because she is just like trump) People should be outraged at either presidency. Sorry but Hillary was not an option. She's a racist imperialist fiscally conservative mess. . . [Edited 11/9/16 22:39pm]


She could have been Eva Braun...she would have STILL been better than Trump...and she had a chance to win


You can do better.
Trump will not get away with half of what Clinton would of.
We can galvanize in ways a Hillary presidency wouldn't have allowed.
Hillary supporters will likely help the causes that they otherwise wouldn't have if she were president.
Anti_war, anti wall street. Black lives matter. All these causes would of been muted and continued to worsen as people wouldn't have complained about them under a Hillary presidency.
Because you know she got "hot sauce in her bag".






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Reply #14 posted 11/09/16 11:08pm

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jjhunsecker said:

hausofmoi7 said:

QueenofCardboard said: No they haven't. Hillary and trump are disaster's. Some voted green some didn't bother choosing between Lucifer and satan.

All voting Green handed the election to Trump...Thanks... rolleyes

I don't think that's fair (and I normally pretty much agree with you on things) - I absolutely understand why people didn't want to vote for either party. My blame lies squarely at those that voted Trump, not at anyone that didn't vote for Hilary.

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Reply #16 posted 11/10/16 12:43am

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QueenofCardboard said:

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It is time that people on the Far Left stopped helping people on The Far Right get in power!

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"Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media." --- Bernie Sanders

This is why I like Bernie, because he tells it like it is. He speaks the truth, rather than tow the party line.

Bob, are you paying attention here?

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Liberals & Moderate Democrats did Vote on Tuesday...No one expected Rurual White Men to come out in droves..Even 53% of White Women voted for Trump, most of thought he'd get maybe 10% or less.....I was surprised Hillary lost but I was not surprised that White Voters came out in record numbers...White Voters were very angry this time around and they wanted anybody but a Legacy-Politician. They did not care about Trump's dangerous rhetoric, White Voters felt Trump was "telling it like it is" with no apologies..That does not mean they agreed with all the Shit Trump said during his Rallies...It is still SAD that Trash-talk and Negative Speeches about our Country turned them on...

We all know for a Fact had Trump's Face been Black he would have NEVER made it to the Primaries talking all that Trash...Donald enjoyed White privilege during the Primaries, during the General and he'll enjoy it in the Oval Office...he definitely changed the Game, but he's never dealt with or felt The Wrath of Minoriites....He's in for a Rough Term....

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Reply #18 posted 11/10/16 6:55am

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Only 124 million turned out to vote. 5 million less than 2012. People didn't like the candidates. Your angsty blame game is going nowhere.

But....if you want to blame someone, Debbie and the DNC colluding with Clinton against Bernie in the Primaries was the beginning of her downfall.

Rage against the machine.
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Chancellor said:

Liberals & Moderate Democrats did Vote on Tuesday...No one expected Rurual White Men to come out in droves..Even 53% of White Women voted for Trump, most of thought he'd get maybe 10% or less.....I was surprised Hillary lost but I was not surprised that White Voters came out in record numbers...White Voters were very angry this time around and they wanted anybody but a Legacy-Politician. They did not care about Trump's dangerous rhetoric, White Voters felt Trump was "telling it like it is" with no apologies..That does not mean they agreed with all the Shit Trump said during his Rallies...It is still SAD that Trash-talk and Negative Speeches about our Country turned them on...

We all know for a Fact had Trump's Face been Black he would have NEVER made it to the Primaries talking all that Trash...Donald enjoyed White privilege during the Primaries, during the General and he'll enjoy it in the Oval Office...he definitely changed the Game, but he's never dealt with or felt The Wrath of Minoriites....He's in for a Rough Term....

True ! A Black candidate talking and acting like Trump, and with his personal life (5 children by 3 different women) would have been told "Go back to BET, you hip-hop ghetto coon" ...Just saying...

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maplenpg said:

jjhunsecker said:

All voting Green handed the election to Trump...Thanks... rolleyes

I don't think that's fair (and I normally pretty much agree with you on things) - I absolutely understand why people didn't want to vote for either party. My blame lies squarely at those that voted Trump, not at anyone that didn't vote for Hilary.

People have every right to make that choice...and that choice brought us Trump as President. Choices have consequnces. I hope those who voted that way "feel better" about that decision....

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Reply #22 posted 11/10/16 9:29am

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We want to progress. Go forward. The left is different than the right. We are better. Deal with it.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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jjhunsecker said:

maplenpg said:

I don't think that's fair (and I normally pretty much agree with you on things) - I absolutely understand why people didn't want to vote for either party. My blame lies squarely at those that voted Trump, not at anyone that didn't vote for Hilary.

People have every right to make that choice...and that choice brought us Trump as President. Choices have consequnces. I hope those who voted that way "feel better" about that decision....

No - what brought Trump as president was having two people at the forefront who were hugely unpopular for many reasons. Many people were voting based on who they didn't want in rather than who they did - and that is not why people should be crossing the box. Voter turnout was dismal - which shows the lack of faith that the people had in the two leaders. If people didn't want Trump as president then that should never automatically entail that they must vote for Hilary - that is not democracy. I hope that all those who voted against the both of them feel proud of their decision. It's the voters that voted Trump got Trump in - not those that didn't.

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I blame the DNC.

The DNC had a candidate (Sanders) people were excited about, who polled well, and who wasn't a dyed in the wool establishment candidate and what did they do? They deep sixed his campaign in favor of a candidate with a brand name, that few people genuinely supported who is a long time protector of the status quo. Had they run Sanders, HE'D be president elect. But they didn't, because they thought they "knew better." So here we are.

So in a lot of ways, you're right Queenie. Hubris on the left is what caused this. All they needed to do is exactly what Trump DID do and that is LISTEN TO THE VOTERS rather than second guess them.

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maplenpg said:

jjhunsecker said:

People have every right to make that choice...and that choice brought us Trump as President. Choices have consequnces. I hope those who voted that way "feel better" about that decision....

No - what brought Trump as president was having two people at the forefront who were hugely unpopular for many reasons. Many people were voting based on who they didn't want in rather than who they did - and that is not why people should be crossing the box. Voter turnout was dismal - which shows the lack of faith that the people had in the two leaders. If people didn't want Trump as president then that should never automatically entail that they must vote for Hilary - that is not democracy. I hope that all those who voted against the both of them feel proud of their decision. It's the voters that voted Trump got Trump in - not those that didn't.

I respect your position on this, so we just have to agree to differ. I just see elections, and how they work, differently...My view is very similar to something Bill Maher said : If they don't have steak available, eat the chicken...especially if the only other realistic choice is toxic sewer water

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We all know for a Fact had Trump's Face been Black he would have NEVER made it to the Primaries talking all that Trash...Donald enjoyed White privilege during the Primaries, during the General and he'll enjoy it in the Oval Office...he definitely changed the Game, but he's never dealt with or felt The Wrath of Minoriites....He's in for a Rough Term....


We currently have a black two-time president whose two mentors were a card-carrying communist party leader (Frank Davis) and a pastor (Jeremiah Wright) famous for anti-American rhetoric such as "God damn America" and "the US was responsible for 9/11". So don't go telling me that only controversial whites, and never controversial blacks, have the ability to go far in politics. There was plenty of good reasons to vote against Obama, but obviously few people did.

White privilege my ass, it's beyond pathetic how sore losers are using race as an excuse for Trump's victory. The America that elected Trump is the same damn America that elected Obama TWICE, and last time I checked Hillary ain't black.

There's only 6 states in the US that don't allow Open Carry: Cali, FL, IL, NY, SC, DC. While SC's gun murder rate is DOUBLE that of Texas, DC's is 6 TIMES that of Texas! https://en.m.wikipedia.or...s_by_state
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Hillary was not Lucifer or Satan.


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You are just too easily persuaded.


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You bought all of the half truths, lies, misrepresentations, distortions, innuendos and disinformation from FOX News, Rush Limbaugh and other talking heads that constantly vomit hate.


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She was extremely qualified, competent, hard working, and her heart was always in the right place.


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She would have been an excellent president.


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Fox news, rush? I didn't realize they were far left Marxist news outlets.
The Clintons are mean hearted people just like the people over at Fox and Rush.
They kill people, they starve people to death all for their own personal gain.
Hillary Clinton is an over glorified arms dealer. Don't forget.
These are facts. She is just like the Republicans.




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This argument was being rehearsed long before the result, when it was being quietly agreed that any criticism of the compromised Washington neoliberal whose candidacy had been railroaded through (it was her 'turn', after all) would be deflected by a mythology of the angry 'Bernie Bro' whose refusal to fall into line had cost the party the election.

Now the results are in, the evidence for this thesis is pretty weak, in my view. Most standard analyses highlight Trump's victory in key battleground states (Iowa, Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania). Well, in all but one of those, Trump's margin of victory over Clinton was vastly in excess of votes cast for Stein. So even if those 'protesting' with their vote had all succumbed to the power of the pantsuit, it wouldn't have made a difference. Only in Wisconsin, would throwing the full weight of the Stein vote behind Clinton have swung the state the other way. Though, keep in mind, in this counterfactual scenario in which 'protest votes' are refused, but that refusal only happens on the left. If right-wing protest voters for Johnson and Darrell Castle (who had a few dribbles of the vote, like Stein) had also changed tack and thrown their weight behind their preferred one of the Big Two - likely to be Trump - it would've easily drowned out Stein's supporters. That's also true of Michigan, where there was a tight result, but the Stein vote could have swung it, provided that we could cross our fingers and fashion a counterfactual scenario where right-wing protest remained entirely in place.

It's a thesis and one can make it - but only, I think, at the cost of closing one's eyes to more obvious factors. The big story is that, compared to Obama, Clinton failed to get the vote out. The Democrats lost around 10 million voters between 2012 and 2016:



Now, in fairness, that could be as much to do with disillusionment with Obama's presidency as much as her candidacy; but, either way, her campaign came up short on that score. The focus on a few thousand Stein voters in two states - and not in all the others - seems willfully myopic when they pale into statistical irrelevance against the broader collapse of support the Democrats seen in this election. There's plenty of more useful commentary around on the suicidal refusal to hear anything other than the merits of the Clinton brand and message in the narrow media and political bubbles, when it just wasn't striking a chord with much of the country.

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