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Thread started 09/24/19 4:08am

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Oh dear BoJo - GUILTY

Extremely bad week for BoJo. First he refuses to explain some extremely dodgy dealings with a pretty blonde who he granted £126,000 of public money to. Now he's been found (rightfully) that the suspension of parliament was unlawful.

Let's just suck it in a moment. He unlawfully stopped parliament from doing its duty. There must be a consequence for this. Opponents are calling for his resignation, yet Brexit is just weeks away. WTF!!!


Britain is in a mess. Corbyn says it 'demonstrates contempt for democracy'. Lady Hale said that 'the effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme'. BoJo hasn't yet spoken.

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Reply #1 posted 09/24/19 4:11am

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maplenpg said:

Extremely bad week for BoJo. First he refuses to explain some extremely dodgy dealings with a pretty blonde who he granted £126,000 of public money to. Now he's been found (rightfully) that the suspension of parliament was unlawful.

Let's just suck it in a moment. He unlawfully stopped parliament from doing its duty. There must be a consequence for this. Opponents are calling for his resignation, yet Brexit is just weeks away. WTF!!!


Britain is in a mess. Corbyn says it 'demonstrates contempt for democracy'. Lady Hale said that 'the effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme'. BoJo hasn't yet spoken.

you do understand Bojo is a Brirtish politician, and we almost never discuss British politics here, right?

i know youre trying really hard to wedge this into your partisan agenda, but... Bojo has nothing to do with about 99% of us

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Reply #2 posted 09/24/19 4:31am

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maplenpg said:

Extremely bad week for BoJo. First he refuses to explain some extremely dodgy dealings with a pretty blonde who he granted £126,000 of public money to. Now he's been found (rightfully) that the suspension of parliament was unlawful.

Let's just suck it in a moment. He unlawfully stopped parliament from doing its duty. There must be a consequence for this. Opponents are calling for his resignation, yet Brexit is just weeks away. WTF!!!


Britain is in a mess. Corbyn says it 'demonstrates contempt for democracy'. Lady Hale said that 'the effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme'. BoJo hasn't yet spoken.


Stepping over the TROLL here, ugh.

That is crazy. Is it something in the (ocean) water? Because the madness seems to be spreading.

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Reply #3 posted 09/24/19 4:33am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

maplenpg said:

Extremely bad week for BoJo. First he refuses to explain some extremely dodgy dealings with a pretty blonde who he granted £126,000 of public money to. Now he's been found (rightfully) that the suspension of parliament was unlawful.

Let's just suck it in a moment. He unlawfully stopped parliament from doing its duty. There must be a consequence for this. Opponents are calling for his resignation, yet Brexit is just weeks away. WTF!!!


Britain is in a mess. Corbyn says it 'demonstrates contempt for democracy'. Lady Hale said that 'the effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme'. BoJo hasn't yet spoken.

you do understand Bojo is a Brirtish politician, and we almost never discuss British politics here, right?

i know youre trying really hard to wedge this into your partisan agenda, but... Bojo has nothing to do with about 99% of us

I see what you did there. Now either comment on the topic, or just leave the topic alone.


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Reply #4 posted 09/24/19 4:35am

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poppys said:

maplenpg said:

Extremely bad week for BoJo. First he refuses to explain some extremely dodgy dealings with a pretty blonde who he granted £126,000 of public money to. Now he's been found (rightfully) that the suspension of parliament was unlawful.

Let's just suck it in a moment. He unlawfully stopped parliament from doing its duty. There must be a consequence for this. Opponents are calling for his resignation, yet Brexit is just weeks away. WTF!!!


Britain is in a mess. Corbyn says it 'demonstrates contempt for democracy'. Lady Hale said that 'the effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme'. BoJo hasn't yet spoken.


Stepping over the TROLL here, ugh.

That is crazy. Is it something in the (ocean) water? Because the madness seems to be spreading.

I'm just glad he hasn't got away with it. All 11 supreme court judges ruled that he'd acted unlawfully. If he had got away with it I think we'd have even more uproar - most people seem to think the court came to the right decision. It'll be really interesting to see what happens next.

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Reply #5 posted 09/24/19 4:40am

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poppys said:

Stepping over the TROLL here, ugh.

That is crazy. Is it something in the (ocean) water? Because the madness seems to be spreading.


I'm just glad he hasn't got away with it. All 11 supreme court judges ruled that he'd acted unlawfully. If he had got away with it I think we'd have even more uproar - most people seem to think the court came to the right decision. It'll be really interesting to see what happens next.


That's good. nod

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Reply #6 posted 09/24/19 9:44am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



maplenpg said:


Extremely bad week for BoJo. First he refuses to explain some extremely dodgy dealings with a pretty blonde who he granted £126,000 of public money to. Now he's been found (rightfully) that the suspension of parliament was unlawful.

Let's just suck it in a moment. He unlawfully stopped parliament from doing its duty. There must be a consequence for this. Opponents are calling for his resignation, yet Brexit is just weeks away. WTF!!!


Britain is in a mess. Corbyn says it 'demonstrates contempt for democracy'. Lady Hale said that 'the effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme'. BoJo hasn't yet spoken.





you do understand Bojo is a Brirtish politician, and we almost never discuss British politics here, right?

i know youre trying really hard to wedge this into your partisan agenda, but... Bojo has nothing to do with about 99% of us


Except maple is from the UK, genius.

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Reply #7 posted 09/24/19 10:17am

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I walked in from getting coffee and I thought I was seeing double as Trump and Johnson shared the screen.

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Reply #8 posted 09/24/19 10:24am

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

you do understand Bojo is a Brirtish politician, and we almost never discuss British politics here, right?

i know youre trying really hard to wedge this into your partisan agenda, but... Bojo has nothing to do with about 99% of us

Except maple is from the UK, genius. rolleyes . [Edited 9/24/19 9:45am]

You don't think a simple fact like that matters do you? smile

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Reply #9 posted 09/24/19 10:27am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I walked in from getting coffee and I thought I was seeing double as Trump and Johnson shared the screen.

Corbyn kept talking about a Trump style Brexit in his speech today. They (BoJo and Trump) are definitely plotting together.

I have to say I think that is why there was a lot of relief when Boris's actions were deemed unlawful; because Trump has got away with so much. I guess Britain can at least say that the head of the country is not above the law (yet).

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Reply #10 posted 09/26/19 5:50am

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BoJo's comments about Jo Cox were too low. His calculated and strategic behaviour makes my blood boil. He clearly has stated he thinks the courts were wrong. He clearly believes there should be no consequences. Bercow has given everyone a good telling off over the heated language used (for which BoJo is unapologetic). We really do have our own mini-Trump in power sad.

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Reply #11 posted 09/26/19 7:16am

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maplenpg said:

BoJo's comments about Jo Cox were too low. His calculated and strategic behaviour makes my blood boil. He clearly has stated he thinks the courts were wrong. He clearly believes there should be no consequences. Bercow has given everyone a good telling off over the heated language used (for which BoJo is unapologetic). We really do have our own mini-Trump in power sad.


Ugh, it would seem so. Bojo (love this name) had a bad week indeed. His actions seem calculated, but a total buffoon!

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maplenpg said:

BoJo's comments about Jo Cox were too low. His calculated and strategic behaviour makes my blood boil. He clearly has stated he thinks the courts were wrong. He clearly believes there should be no consequences. Bercow has given everyone a good telling off over the heated language used (for which BoJo is unapologetic). We really do have our own mini-Trump in power sad.


Ugh, it would seem so. Bojo (love this name) had a bad week indeed. His actions seem calculated, but a total buffoon!

I think BoJo's sister sums it up best:


"I think it was particularly tasteless for those who are grieving a mother, MP and friend to say the best way to honour her memory is to deliver the thing she and her family campaigned against - Brexit."

EDIT TO ADD: For those that might not remember, Jo Cox was a British MP shot dead by a right wing extremist.

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Reply #13 posted 09/26/19 8:04am

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maplenpg said:

BoJo's comments about Jo Cox were too low. His calculated and strategic behaviour makes my blood boil. He clearly has stated he thinks the courts were wrong. He clearly believes there should be no consequences. Bercow has given everyone a good telling off over the heated language used (for which BoJo is unapologetic). We really do have our own mini-Trump in power sad.


Ugh, it would seem so. Bojo (love this name) had a bad week indeed. His actions seem calculated, but a total buffoon!


It is a great name for an (evil) clown.

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Reply #14 posted 09/26/19 3:06pm

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maplenpg said:

BoJo's comments about Jo Cox were too low. His calculated and strategic behaviour makes my blood boil. He clearly has stated he thinks the courts were wrong. He clearly believes there should be no consequences. Bercow has given everyone a good telling off over the heated language used (for which BoJo is unapologetic). We really do have our own mini-Trump in power sad.



I have no love for Boris, but he didn't bring Jo Cox up in the debate, the screaming Labour MP did. I don't think his response was very good, but the reaction by the media and remain alliance is as he killed a kitten live on TV.

The remain alliance are absolute hypocrites. They claim they want to debate Brexit, even going to court to stop progrogation, yet, even with their current majority power, they made no move to cancel their own party conference season, spend half a day (with only 2 days left of parliament) giving praise speeches to the outgoing speaker and when they did get back to work, they spent the last 2 days screaming for apologies or resignations.

They have the power to remove him right now, but they won't pull the trigger, despite parliament being in deadlocked. They are just trying to embarass the PM.

They don't want the public to vote because they know a lot of them are going to be in for one hell of a kicking.

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maplenpg said:

BoJo's comments about Jo Cox were too low. His calculated and strategic behaviour makes my blood boil. He clearly has stated he thinks the courts were wrong. He clearly believes there should be no consequences. Bercow has given everyone a good telling off over the heated language used (for which BoJo is unapologetic). We really do have our own mini-Trump in power sad.



I have no love for Boris, but he didn't bring Jo Cox up in the debate, the screaming Labour MP did. I don't think his response was very good, but the reaction by the media and remain alliance is as he killed a kitten live on TV.

The remain alliance are absolute hypocrites. They claim they want to debate Brexit, even going to court to stop progrogation, yet, even with their current majority power, they made no move to cancel their own party conference season, spend half a day (with only 2 days left of parliament) giving praise speeches to the outgoing speaker and when they did get back to work, they spent the last 2 days screaming for apologies or resignations.

They have the power to remove him right now, but they won't pull the trigger, despite parliament being in deadlocked. They are just trying to embarass the PM.

They don't want the public to vote because they know a lot of them are going to be in for one hell of a kicking.

He's doing a bloody good job of embarrassing himself. And yes, someone else bought up Jo Cox. It was his response though that warranted every bit of outrage that it caused. It was disgraceful.

There was wrongdoing on all sides on the first day back. But to say that people shouldn't be calling for apologies or resignations, when the leader of the country broke the law, is absurd.

EDIT TO ADD: I also think it need to be said that Conservatives don't want an election either. Because an election before Oct 31st would almost certainly mean that the Brexit Party would take a lot of Conservative votes (as well as brexiteer Labour and other voters). It just suits their narrative to say that the opposition is to chicken to kick him out.

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Yep, utter embarrassment of a man, but a lot of people support him more than ever! They see him as the defender of the people against parliament!! They just want Brexit delivered. They don’t know about the consequences of no deal, because they won’t listen, but they will care if it comes. But then the papers would somehow make it all Corbyn’s fault, and the people would lap it up!
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Yep, utter embarrassment of a man, but a lot of people support him more than ever! They see him as the defender of the people against parliament!! They just want Brexit delivered. They don’t know about the consequences of no deal, because they won’t listen, but they will care if it comes. But then the papers would somehow make it all Corbyn’s fault, and the people would lap it up! [Edited 9/27/19 6:50am]

This is what I don't understand. I voted for Brexit. I want us to leave the EU. Yet, we still need parliament to veto any deal to ensure that it is fair. BoJo unlawfully suspended parliament to give people less time to critique any deal he came up with - yet people don't even seem to think he should apologise for that. If any old deal would have done to please Brexiteers, then why did parliament reject TM's deal four times? I think it is quite dangerous the way they are trying to pit parliament as a bunch of remainers who want to do anything to stop Brexit happening, because it really seems to me that parliament just want what is best for the country as a collective, not just as what is best for an unelected, unpopular and law-breaking Prime Minister.


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This is what I don't understand. I voted for Brexit. I want us to leave the EU. Yet, we still need parliament to veto any deal to ensure that it is fair. BoJo unlawfully suspended parliament to give people less time to critique any deal he came up with - yet people don't even seem to think he should apologise for that. If any old deal would have done to please Brexiteers, then why did parliament reject TM's deal four times? I think it is quite dangerous the way they are trying to pit parliament as a bunch of remainers who want to do anything to stop Brexit happening, because it really seems to me that parliament just want what is best for the country as a collective, not just as what is best for an unelected, unpopular and law-breaking Prime Minister.


Absolutely, yeah. And it's weird when considering that an awful lot of people wanted to leave to give Parliament back its sovereignty, yet some of those same people are now saying it's fine to take it away!

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FunkJam said:

maplenpg said:

This is what I don't understand. I voted for Brexit. I want us to leave the EU. Yet, we still need parliament to veto any deal to ensure that it is fair. BoJo unlawfully suspended parliament to give people less time to critique any deal he came up with - yet people don't even seem to think he should apologise for that. If any old deal would have done to please Brexiteers, then why did parliament reject TM's deal four times? I think it is quite dangerous the way they are trying to pit parliament as a bunch of remainers who want to do anything to stop Brexit happening, because it really seems to me that parliament just want what is best for the country as a collective, not just as what is best for an unelected, unpopular and law-breaking Prime Minister.


Absolutely, yeah. And it's weird when considering that an awful lot of people wanted to leave to give Parliament back its sovereignty, yet some of those same people are now saying it's fine to take it away!

100% agree.

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maplenpg said:

FunkJam said:

Yep, utter embarrassment of a man, but a lot of people support him more than ever! They see him as the defender of the people against parliament!! They just want Brexit delivered. They don’t know about the consequences of no deal, because they won’t listen, but they will care if it comes. But then the papers would somehow make it all Corbyn’s fault, and the people would lap it up! [Edited 9/27/19 6:50am]

This is what I don't understand. I voted for Brexit. I want us to leave the EU. Yet, we still need parliament to veto any deal to ensure that it is fair. BoJo unlawfully suspended parliament to give people less time to critique any deal he came up with - yet people don't even seem to think he should apologise for that. If any old deal would have done to please Brexiteers, then why did parliament reject TM's deal four times? I think it is quite dangerous the way they are trying to pit parliament as a bunch of remainers who want to do anything to stop Brexit happening, because it really seems to me that parliament just want what is best for the country as a collective, not just as what is best for an unelected, unpopular and law-breaking Prime Minister.


But why?

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maplenpg said:

This is what I don't understand. I voted for Brexit. I want us to leave the EU. Yet, we still need parliament to veto any deal to ensure that it is fair. BoJo unlawfully suspended parliament to give people less time to critique any deal he came up with - yet people don't even seem to think he should apologise for that. If any old deal would have done to please Brexiteers, then why did parliament reject TM's deal four times? I think it is quite dangerous the way they are trying to pit parliament as a bunch of remainers who want to do anything to stop Brexit happening, because it really seems to me that parliament just want what is best for the country as a collective, not just as what is best for an unelected, unpopular and law-breaking Prime Minister.


But why?

There were lots and lots of reasons, sorry if my post ends up being a long one!

Probably first and foremost, there were two very, very big missed opportunities where the EU could have shown the world how much good it could do. Yet it failed miserably. The first was the Greek crisis, and the second the migrant crisis. Probably more the second, but the EU was just plain cruel with Greece. At the point of our vote, there were literally hundreds and hundreds of migrants dying, out at sea, alone. There was that photo of the dead boy on the beach - that killed me. Yet each country was left to deal with it alone, and they obviously were overwhelmed (still are). It would have been great to have had a collective unity by the EU to enable refugees to access safety without having to resort to dinghies in the dead of night. The migrant crisis really made me wonder what the point of the EU was.

Which leads me onto the next reason. What is/was the point of the EU? We have the UN. We have NATO, and many other organisations. I guess I just failed to see what they offered that wasn't already offered elsewhere. Not only that, but honestly it seemed like the EU was corrupt in so many ways, especially the people at the top. The media didn't help with articles such as this.

We were in the middle of austerity in the UK. Services everywhere were being cut, schools, police, hospitals etc... Wage rises had been stopped to those of us working for the government at the time (yet funny enough politicians continued to recieve large pay rises). The cost of living was rising, and many were unable to get on the housing ladder because houses were becoming increasingly unaffordable (increasing the wealthy were building property portfolios too, making housing more unaffordable - classic the rich get richer, while the poor miss out Tory scenario). There was a bit of me, I'll admit, that wanted to say fuck you to the Tories, who clearly expected remain to win (honestly, I expected remain to win as well).

Immigration. I have no problem with immigration, I have no problem with anyone wanting to move anywhere in the world. But it needs to be fair. And it wasn't. I have direct family from Thailand, and the hoops to get through to live in this country were incredible. I also grew up in an area with many Indian immigrants, and so I heard a lot about their troubles getting family over. Yet those in the EU could come and live here freely. That just seemed unfair when we'd spent years battling the system for members of my family. I'd like a one size fits all model on immigration rather than one dependant on your place of birth.

I could probably go on. Would I vote the same way now? Yes, I would. I'm still not convinced that the benefits of being in the EU are that great. I also think we'll still be in to a large capacity, even if not in name - unless we get no deal that is, in which case anything could happen!


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How's that Northern Ireland planning going guys? It is your country you know.

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How's that Northern Ireland planning going guys? It is your country you know.

It's a big fat fucking mess, that's what it is. Hard to disagree with Coveney:


Mr Coveney said it was vital a Brexit deal be hammered out for the common good.

"For far too long decisions around Brexit have been made on the back of party political reasons as opposed to trying to get an agreement between the UK and the EU as a whole.

"This is about shaping the future relationship between Britain and the EU for a lifetime to come.

"It should not be about party political manoeuvres in advance of a general election. That is why our position has remained absolutely consistent for three years in terms of the priorities we are trying to achieve here.

"We respect the British decision to leave the EU. But we also expect them to respect that that decision causes significant disruption on the island of Ireland and there are issues that need to be resolved.

"We have a solution to those issues in the Withdrawal Agreement but the British Prime Minister wants to change the Withdrawal Agreement, he wants to remove the (Irish) back-stop which gives guarantees and protections around the Irish border issue and, if he is going to insist on making changes to a Withdrawal Agreement that we know works, then the onus has got to be on him to provide alternative arrangements or proposals that can do the same job.

"That is what we need in a serious paper from the British Prime Minister, hopefully before the end of the week."

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BOJO FAILS....

Prime Minister Boris Johnson suffered a damaging setback Tuesday in his quest to take Britain out of the European Union, losing a critical vote in Parliament and raising the prospect he might shelve his withdrawal deal and toss the debate over Brexit to the voters in an election.

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