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Thread started 04/10/19 4:56pm

galaxyhigh

Is the content of the vault safe?

What's to stop the selling of the vault's multi-track tapes to producers / artists / record labels for them to homoginise for future music releases?

No one has heard everything that's in the vault, have they?

And those who have contributed toward the vault (e.g. Revolution, Susan Rogers, etc), that might be able to identify material, won't be around forever.

Sorry for the negativity. Had a dream the other night that spurred this question.

P.S.

Can I post a Prince song if I sequenced it? For playing along to, I mean. No singing, just drums, bass and synths / keys.

Thanx.

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Reply #1 posted 04/10/19 5:39pm

TrivialPursuit

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use the search box.

look at the stickies.

In short, USE THE SITE'S FEATURES FIRST before posting.

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Reply #2 posted 04/10/19 8:00pm

EddieC

A member for 10 years and this is your first post?

Wow. The only reason I joined was to post...why else would you do it?

Oh, and no. The so-called "vault materials" are not safe from being sold, tinkered with, remixed, used by others as the basis for their own work--if the people who own the rights choose to do any of those things, they have the freedom to do them. And yep, the people involved in the recordings will die--so will we. And we're not going to hear everything in the vault.

But I've honestly not listened to everything on this hard drive sitting in front of me (I can't even see the end of that road from where I'm standing), so while I hope the vault materials come out in a relatively "untouched" way--if it doesn't happen, it's not worth losing sleep over.

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Reply #3 posted 04/10/19 8:21pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

use the search box.

look at the stickies.

In short, USE THE SITE'S FEATURES FIRST before posting.


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Reply #4 posted 04/10/19 8:52pm

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EddieC said:

A member for 10 years and this is your first post?

Wow. The only reason I joined was to post...why else would you do it?

Oh, and no. The so-called "vault materials" are not safe from being sold, tinkered with, remixed, used by others as the basis for their own work--if the people who own the rights choose to do any of those things, they have the freedom to do them. And yep, the people involved in the recordings will die--so will we. And we're not going to hear everything in the vault.

But I've honestly not listened to everything on this hard drive sitting in front of me (I can't even see the end of that road from where I'm standing), so while I hope the vault materials come out in a relatively "untouched" way--if it doesn't happen, it's not worth losing sleep over.



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Reply #5 posted 04/10/19 9:12pm

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galaxyhigh said:

What's to stop the selling of the vault's multi-track tapes to producers / artists / record labels for them to homoginise for future music releases?

No one has heard everything that's in the vault, have they?

And those who have contributed toward the vault (e.g. Revolution, Susan Rogers, etc), that might be able to identify material, won't be around forever.

Sorry for the negativity. Had a dream the other night that spurred this question.

P.S.

Can I post a Prince song if I sequenced it? For playing along to, I mean. No singing, just drums, bass and synths / keys.

Thanx.


See http://prince.org/msg/7/450018

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Reply #6 posted 04/11/19 6:41am

PURPLEIZED3121

Right now the vault is friggin useless! Songs / Videos etc being cleaned up & organised for up to 3 years thus far yet land-locked in complex legal fuckery for ever.

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Reply #7 posted 04/11/19 8:24am

galaxyhigh

Thanx for the replies. I was thinking that something like that sampler CD set might end up getting released. Or multi-track tapes getting stripped down and sold off.

They way this world works; it wouldn't surprise me.

@EddieC

I think I was gonna post once and it might have already been answered / someone beat me to it or I got scared off by seeing feedback. It's hard crowd to please on here.

@luv4u

Thanx, I'll have a read through.

@PURPLEIZED3121

Corporations knackering everything, like they always do. If only we had co-operation rather than corporation.

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Reply #8 posted 04/11/19 8:55am

steakfinger

The contents of the vault are safer now than at Paisely Park.

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Reply #9 posted 04/11/19 12:09pm

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They’re safe, but the muppets in charge don’t look like they’ll release anything, ever, at this point it’s safe to say there is more chance of Middlesbrough winning the Premier League than some genuine new material not on purple vinyl and twice the price it should be.
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Reply #10 posted 04/11/19 12:29pm

laytonian

steakfinger said:

The contents of the vault are safer now than at Paisely Park.

Exactly.
They are under rigid security, being cleaned up and preserved. At some point, the original containers (empty) can be returned to Paisley.

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Reply #11 posted 04/12/19 1:28pm

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It’s all been taken to allegedly the safest music storage there is. Think it’s called iron mountain or something.

But no, I don’t believe it’s safe because it’s no longer under princes control and that was really the safest it ever could be. Under the watchful eye of its creator. He was probably somewhat haphazard with it but it was his in his house.

I too often think of all the stuff that could happen to it. Left to rot, stolen, lost, damaged, catalogued incorrectly etc etc. Truck or plane carrying it crashes... you name it I’ve thought of it all! Volcano explosion.... but it’s cos I care and we all care and you do from your post. I imagined when he passed it would all be uploaded daily on to a kind of npg music club of our time. Not tinkered with just raw as it was and then if it is then cleaned up that is done and released too, but labelled as such. But no we haven’t had any of this and perhaps the damage has been done. Most musicians think they can improve something but in this case we only want to hear the creator.

I wish it had all been handled differently.

An upload a day would have been manageable and to us all, kept us happy.

I don’t feel it’s safe myself but what do I know.
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Reply #12 posted 04/12/19 1:31pm

42Kristen

Whatever material that is inside the vauly. Someone will protect all the contebts in it.

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Reply #13 posted 04/12/19 1:37pm

coldcoffeeandc
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42Kristen said:

Whatever material that is inside the vauly. Someone will protect all the contebts in it.



I don’t believe that. I think people protect their own interests and if there is a powerful musician or exec who wants some prince ‘stencils’ to play with I think it is very possible they will make their way out.

Feel terribly cynical about the whole thing. Princes records really are like his children and he had died without a locatable will to protect them and so it is up to the powers that be to decide their fate.

I wish they would be home in Mpls and uploaded however they are by people employed who love him - maybe even fans on this board - untinkered with and untouched. Done with love. It’s all so very corporate and cold now.
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Reply #14 posted 04/12/19 7:47pm

TheEquilizer

steakfinger said:

The contents of the vault are safer now than at Paisely Park.

no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no!

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Reply #15 posted 04/14/19 1:37pm

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TheEquilizer said:

steakfinger said:

The contents of the vault are safer now than at Paisely Park.

no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no! no no no!



I agree. They are safer

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Reply #16 posted 04/20/19 8:26am

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They are inside a mountain right? I would think inside a mountain is probably safer than inside paisley park, I mean the inside of a mountain could withstand armageddon right? Perhaps Prince's music will be the ONLY thing left after we destroy ourselves......waiting patiently for humanity ro rebuld itself and eventually find this goldmine of music thousands of years later.

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Reply #17 posted 04/20/19 8:17pm

dongato

galaxyhigh said:

What's to stop the selling of the vault's multi-track tapes to producers / artists / record labels for them to homoginise for future music releases?

No one has heard everything that's in the vault, have they?

And those who have contributed toward the vault (e.g. Revolution, Susan Rogers, etc), that might be able to identify material, won't be around forever.

Sorry for the negativity. Had a dream the other night that spurred this question.

P.S.

Can I post a Prince song if I sequenced it? For playing along to, I mean. No singing, just drums, bass and synths / keys.

Thanx.


Too late, some of the WB songs are already out in stems form. I bought Let's Go Crazy multitracks a few years ago. I saw the newer files with my own eyes. Money talks
Somebody will try to monetize them at some point. It happened with the MJ vault stuff already.

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Reply #18 posted 04/21/19 11:13am

Kares

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dongato said:

galaxyhigh said:

What's to stop the selling of the vault's multi-track tapes to producers / artists / record labels for them to homoginise for future music releases?

No one has heard everything that's in the vault, have they?

And those who have contributed toward the vault (e.g. Revolution, Susan Rogers, etc), that might be able to identify material, won't be around forever.

Sorry for the negativity. Had a dream the other night that spurred this question.

P.S.

Can I post a Prince song if I sequenced it? For playing along to, I mean. No singing, just drums, bass and synths / keys.

Thanx.


Too late, some of the WB songs are already out in stems form. I bought Let's Go Crazy multitracks a few years ago. I saw the newer files with my own eyes. Money talks
Somebody will try to monetize them at some point. It happened with the MJ vault stuff already.

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Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. Illegally acquiring COPIES of the multitracks (or any other recordings) does not give you any rights to use, reproduce and distribute them, so even if you do have some copies you have nothing.
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I have copies of multitracks for tons of legendary recordings too but obviously I can't use them for anything.
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And owning an actual reel of tape does NOT mean that you own the rights to the actual recordings on that tape either.
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So stop trying to sell your pirated copies and go away.
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Reply #19 posted 04/21/19 9:26pm

dongato

Kares said:

dongato said:


Too late, some of the WB songs are already out in stems form. I bought Let's Go Crazy multitracks a few years ago. I saw the newer files with my own eyes. Money talks
Somebody will try to monetize them at some point. It happened with the MJ vault stuff already.

.
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. Illegally acquiring COPIES of the multitracks (or any other recordings) does not give you any rights to use, reproduce and distribute them, so even if you do have some copies you have nothing.
.
I have copies of multitracks for tons of legendary recordings too but obviously I can't use them for anything.
.
And owning an actual reel of tape does NOT mean that you own the rights to the actual recordings on that tape either.
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So stop trying to sell your pirated copies and go away.
.

[Flame snip - luv4u]
I'm a professional, I'm not selling or pirating anything!
I simply mentioned that I have seen some of the WB era Prince multitracks/stems in some places, and I own a copy of the original Let's go Crazy multitracks. They are not available anywhere online, but be my guest and search until you turn blue. I originally posted asking who actually owns the rights to the WB era Prince masters?
I started seriously collecting as a hobby in 2002 back when the majority were in early SD format. I helped transfer a number of labels archives to digital in studio via Pro Tools. I have stacks of tapes of some pretty famous 80's and 90's artists that were literally tossed in a dumpster behind a local studio when it closed in 2005. I know my shit. I also have a rare multi session Prince did with George Clinton labeled "Paradigm". Dat dumps and masters are sold all the time on Ebay btw. I bought a bunch of Elvis multitracks in a lot. Hate to tell you dude, but it doesn't matter if it's Prince or Michael Jackson if someone wants something it can be gotten, and that includes studio multitracks. I either buy them, or trade for them. It's a hobby I enjoy and I'm going to continue to do it with or without your approval. wink

[Edited 4/21/19 21:47pm]

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Reply #20 posted 04/21/19 11:20pm

Kares

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dongato said:

Kares said:

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Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. Illegally acquiring COPIES of the multitracks (or any other recordings) does not give you any rights to use, reproduce and distribute them, so even if you do have some copies you have nothing.
.
I have copies of multitracks for tons of legendary recordings too but obviously I can't use them for anything.
.
And owning an actual reel of tape does NOT mean that you own the rights to the actual recordings on that tape either.
.
So stop trying to sell your pirated copies and go away.
.

[Flame snip - luv4u]
I'm a professional, I'm not selling or pirating anything!
I simply mentioned that I have seen some of the WB era Prince multitracks/stems in some places, and I own a copy of the original Let's go Crazy multitracks. They are not available anywhere online, but be my guest and search until you turn blue. I originally posted asking who actually owns the rights to the WB era Prince masters?
I started seriously collecting as a hobby in 2002 back when the majority were in early SD format. I helped transfer a number of labels archives to digital in studio via Pro Tools. I have stacks of tapes of some pretty famous 80's and 90's artists that were literally tossed in a dumpster behind a local studio when it closed in 2005. I know my shit. I also have a rare multi session Prince did with George Clinton labeled "Paradigm". Dat dumps and masters are sold all the time on Ebay btw. I bought a bunch of Elvis multitracks in a lot. Hate to tell you dude, but it doesn't matter if it's Prince or Michael Jackson if someone wants something it can be gotten, and that includes studio multitracks. I either buy them, or trade for them. It's a hobby I enjoy and I'm going to continue to do it with or without your approval. wink

[Edited 4/21/19 21:47pm]

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Stems are not the same as the original multitracks.
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Prince's masters and multitracks (including the WB-era stuff) are now owned by the Prince Estate, but of course it shouldn't take long to find that out, especially for a professional. smile
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I said I have a ton of multitracks and stems too for legendary songs, but I can't use them for anything, just as you can't use whatever you have for anything either.

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The last time a fool tried to claim he (co-)owned some Prince recordings, he ended up with a court verdict saying he'll have to pay almost 4 million dollars. But good luck with "your" 'Let's Go Crazy' copy. smile

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You were/are trying to sell stuff you don't have the rights to, hence your topic got deleted yesterday. BTW: there' nothing rare about 'Paradigm' and while you also claimed to have the Sample Series, what you most probably have is the same small set of stolen samples that were taken from one of Prince's keyboards and have been floating around online for many years.

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Reply #21 posted 04/22/19 12:56am

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coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

It’s all been taken to allegedly the safest music storage there is. Think it’s called iron mountain or something. But no, I don’t believe it’s safe because it’s no longer under princes control and that was really the safest it ever could be. Under the watchful eye of its creator. He was probably somewhat haphazard with it but it was his in his house. I too often think of all the stuff that could happen to it. Left to rot, stolen, lost, damaged, catalogued incorrectly etc etc. Truck or plane carrying it crashes... you name it I’ve thought of it all! Volcano explosion.... but it’s cos I care and we all care and you do from your post. I imagined when he passed it would all be uploaded daily on to a kind of npg music club of our time. Not tinkered with just raw as it was and then if it is then cleaned up that is done and released too, but labelled as such. But no we haven’t had any of this and perhaps the damage has been done. Most musicians think they can improve something but in this case we only want to hear the creator. I wish it had all been handled differently. An upload a day would have been manageable and to us all, kept us happy. I don’t feel it’s safe myself but what do I know.



Un2TheJoyFantastic said:

They are inside a mountain right? I would think inside a mountain is probably safer than inside paisley park, I mean the inside of a mountain could withstand armageddon right?


The organisation contracted to handle the safe storage, cataloguing and preservation of the music is called Iron Mountain

https://www.ironmountain.com

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Reply #22 posted 04/22/19 7:59pm

macaylasdad

Safer from us... I will be dead before any of that material sees the light of day.. #fact

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