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Reply #270 posted 11/04/19 11:30pm

PeggyO

PeggyO said:

I need some clarification please, re: Prince's High School?

Does anyone know when Prince transferred to the Southside High School? Ninth grade?

It was likely so that he could live with his Aunt Olivia?

-Did he stay and graduate from that school?

I thought Kim Upsher was a big crush; was she a Northside student?

Trying to get a more accurate sense of his whereabouts during that time.

Thanks for any help!

I read an historical document provided by the State of Minnesota. It's from the National Register of Historic Places Multiple Property Documentation Form: http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@cped/documents/webcontent/wcmsp-216260.pdf

These showed dates and addresses and with whom he lived; schools are included. Interesting note: when his dad purchased a home on Newton Ave., post-divorce, Prince moved in with him at age 14 and stayed till 1973/74 (age 15/16).

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Reply #271 posted 11/04/19 11:32pm

JorisE73

Mumio said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes

Even when it comes down the 'the Vault' music.
Even if he never listened to the majority of it, he sure did keep it.

And if he didn't want anyone to hear it, he would have destroyed it.

This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.


Maybe he saw those recordings as blueprints that he could use or re-use, that's why he kept them, so he could mine those ideas in the future. That's pretty comon practice for most musicians.

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Reply #272 posted 11/05/19 7:06am

poppys

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Mumio said:

This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.


Maybe he saw those recordings as blueprints that he could use or re-use, that's why he kept them, so he could mine those ideas in the future. That's pretty comon practice for most musicians.

Good point. The same way visual artists keep their sketches and studies.

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Reply #273 posted 11/05/19 9:32am

PeggyO

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.

I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.

IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting' or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.

I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.

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Reply #274 posted 11/05/19 11:12am

poppys

PeggyO said:

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.

I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.

IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting' or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.

I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.


As long as the free flow of discussion about the book doesn't involve posting random internet copy from 2016 attributed to the original script of Purple Rain. Involving Prince's mother's panties, stirring loins and moistened lips, his look connecting with her groin, and her telling him he was pretty and coulda been a girl...

Neither person is alive to defend that kind of bizarro.

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Reply #275 posted 11/05/19 12:59pm

TheTruth123

PeggyO said:

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.


I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.


IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting' or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.


I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.



It sounds like they’re not the only ones who consider themselves to be a “protector”...
[Edited 11/5/19 13:52pm]
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Reply #276 posted 11/05/19 5:11pm

motherfunka

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

motherfunka said:

I went to the book release party at Paisley Park Friday. They had tables set up in the soundstage. Andrea Swensson from the Current interviewed Dan on the stage. She covered various topics throughout the book. It lasted about a 1/2 hour. After that was the dance party. Some people hung out in the soundstage and others in the L4OA/NPGMC room to dance. They gave us different colored wrist bands when we first got there. Throughout the rest of the night they called the different groups to go to Studio B control room, where we were met by Bobby Z. They played 2 tracks from the forthcoming 1999 release and Bobby gaved us a short talk about each song before they played it. Our group heard Do Me, Baby live and Possessed. All the groups took a photo with Bobby. Tyka and Sharon were there.



Awesome you were able to attend a once in a lifetime experience.
What did Bobby tell you about each song?

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin

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Reply #277 posted 11/05/19 5:25pm

mnfriend

TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said:

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.

I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.

IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting' or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.

I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.

It sounds like they’re not the only ones who consider themselves to be a “protector”... [Edited 11/5/19 13:52pm]


I am not privy to who is behind screen names, nor who anybody is referring to 1/2 the time, but if on the slight off chance you are referring to me (I feel like I posted a lot here since the book)

I do not consider nor claim any game concerning Prince. Just a fan and admirer, and as such, pointing out positives I see and liked.

Thank you for letting me be myself, again.

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Reply #278 posted 11/05/19 5:44pm

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I think the part where Prince mentioned how he liked to see his parents get dressed up to go out on the town, and how his mother would come home walking funny, was probably because she was tipsy.


Did anyone else notice that sometimes Prince would use Jr. after name?

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Reply #279 posted 11/05/19 7:11pm

PeggyO

mnfriend said:

TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said: It sounds like they’re not the only ones who consider themselves to be a “protector”... [Edited 11/5/19 13:52pm]


I am not privy to who is behind screen names, nor who anybody is referring to 1/2 the time, but if on the slight off chance you are referring to me (I feel like I posted a lot here since the book)

I do not consider nor claim any game concerning Prince. Just a fan and admirer, and as such, pointing out positives I see and liked.

Thank you for letting me be myself, again.

you are not who i am referring to, however, that is not my point. i just wish that we would allow the thread to 'breathe' without a few orgers dictating what is ok to speak about. IMO Prince really opened up and I do not think we need to shut down some discussions that may threaten certain orgers who need to 'protect' Prince. We are adults and we would not be here if we did not respect him and his work.

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Reply #280 posted 11/05/19 9:14pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
tAGame

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motherfunka said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Awesome you were able to attend a once in a lifetime experience.
What did Bobby tell you about each song?

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin



Thanks for sharing your memories!

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Reply #281 posted 11/06/19 1:30am

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kindofblue said:

2. Do You think it was the Sometimes it snows in April we know today, that was already supposed to be on For You (as mentioned on p. 267)? Or maybe it was only a line Prince was fond of that evolved into a whole different song in 1985? (See the two unrelated songs called "The Max", and I'm sure there are other incidents like this in Prince's catalogue, but can't name them right now.) Are there any interviews by Wendy & Lisa about the creation of the 1985 version they supposedly co-authored?

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A list of homonym songs I found (yeah, I was bored...): "17" (and "17 (Penetration)"), "Girl", "Good Life" (and "The Good Life"), "Grace", "I Am", "Lisa", "Love And Sex", "The Max", "Nine", "Paisley Park", "Venus De Milo", "Soulpsychodelicide", "Sticky Wicked", "Wow".

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whew

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Reply #282 posted 11/06/19 5:43am

poppys

PeggyO said:

mnfriend said:


I am not privy to who is behind screen names, nor who anybody is referring to 1/2 the time, but if on the slight off chance you are referring to me (I feel like I posted a lot here since the book)

I do not consider nor claim any game concerning Prince. Just a fan and admirer, and as such, pointing out positives I see and liked.

Thank you for letting me be myself, again.

you are not who i am referring to, however, that is not my point. i just wish that we would allow the thread to 'breathe' without a few orgers dictating what is ok to speak about. IMO Prince really opened up and I do not think we need to shut down some discussions that may threaten certain orgers who need to 'protect' Prince. We are adults and we would not be here if we did not respect him and his work.


This thread topic is about the book. Whoever you think the few orgers dictating are, why not reply to them in the thread one on one (or org notes)? That is the format here. If you want to discuss what you think is being shut down, say it. You can also start a thread on any Prince topic you want and still utilize your thoughts from the book.

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Reply #283 posted 11/06/19 5:47am

poppys

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

motherfunka said:

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin



Thanks for sharing your memories!


Yes, all good stuff. Dan sounds like a sweetheart.

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Reply #284 posted 11/06/19 6:55am

Vannormal

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The book is absolutely great by the way.

Love it !

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But I'm also sure this is the first of many/others to come.

-

Considdering the fact that there is still a lot of info

and interviews he gave throughout his life, poeple he invited over to

tell stories to, etc.

All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

I'm very much convinced there is still a lot to be documented of what will be found and sorted from the Paisley shelves.

And not to foget the direct information there still is available

from Tyka and other family members. They still can bring in a lot more insight info.

Not to forget the bandmembers... etc.

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #285 posted 11/06/19 7:46am

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PennyPurple said:

I think the part where Prince mentioned how he liked to see his parents get dressed up to go out on the town, and how his mother would come home walking funny, was probably because she was tipsy.


Did anyone else notice that sometimes Prince would use Jr. after name?

I liked this part as well, since I have spent a lot of time re-creating his outfits to wear (still working on more).

My take on his mother coming home and walking funny was because of high heeled (stiletto) shoes and partying (i.e. dancing) all night. However, it certainly could be from her being tipsy.

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Reply #286 posted 11/06/19 8:07am

Mumio

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motherfunka said:

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin

Thank you, I always look forward to your posts hug

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #287 posted 11/06/19 8:43am

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Vannormal said:

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All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

-

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Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #288 posted 11/06/19 2:51pm

violetcrush

PennyPurple said:

I think the part where Prince mentioned how he liked to see his parents get dressed up to go out on the town, and how his mother would come home walking funny, was probably because she was tipsy.



Did anyone else notice that sometimes Prince would use Jr. after name?


Yes, that is what I took from his Mother “walking funny” as well. Seems as though she enjoyed being out on the town with his Father and also her friends.
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Also interesting was the detail of his Mom’s special wink at him that he took as her sharing a secret with only him, and then he found out later she had a lot of secrets. Wondering if he was alluding to affairs with men or something else.
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Reply #289 posted 11/06/19 4:06pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

I need to find a version of this book with the purple pages. Aaaargh!!!! Help!

MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #290 posted 11/06/19 4:26pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

mantaray31 said:

MarcelS67 said:

Looks like I'll just have to wait for a couple of days, the book is not yet available neither in the store or online yet here.

Anyway, does anybody know whats up with the two versions (different publisher?) first one is:

  • 9780399589652

Second one is:

  • 9781780899176

Book covers look slightly different too.

[Edited 10/30/19 10:46am]

They are for Random House US and Random House UK respectively. I happened to order the UK version from a Swedish site and now it says "delivery date unknown" while the US version can be delivered in a few days...

I hope the UK version is not cancelled...

It's funny you should mention two versions. My friend in the UK purchased a version where the pages are purple.

MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #291 posted 11/06/19 6:12pm

motherfunka

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Mumio said:

motherfunka said:

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin

Thank you, I always look forward to your posts hug

hug

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Reply #292 posted 11/06/19 7:09pm

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I read P’s mother’s love note to his father. No wonder prince is so romantic. I wonder WHEN he took possession of it. After one or both parents passed away or did he get much earlier. Perhaps when the home was broken during the divorce. He may have kept it all those years as proof they really loved each other, and may even had hopes of them getting back together as many children of divorce do.
No More Haters on the Internet.
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Reply #293 posted 11/06/19 9:23pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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The existing contract was null and void.

P could no longer deliver on the contract after his death.

The contract was re-negotiated.

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

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All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

-

.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

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Reply #294 posted 11/06/19 11:00pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The existing contract was null and void.

P could no longer deliver on the contract after his death.

The contract was re-negotiated.

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

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1. The publisher had 20/30 handwritten pages.

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2. Money had been paid.

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Both the publisher and the estate had an interest in producing something of value.

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Reply #295 posted 11/07/19 4:54am

bsprout

The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin
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Reply #296 posted 11/07/19 5:05am

PennyPurple

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bsprout said:

The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin

Yay, that's great news!!

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Reply #297 posted 11/07/19 5:20am

bsprout

PennyPurple said:



bsprout said:


The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin

Yay, that's great news!!


Yes! And bittersweet at the same time. But I’m sure he knows about it 😉
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Reply #298 posted 11/07/19 5:56am

poppys

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

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The book is absolutely great by the way.

Love it !

-

But I'm also sure this is the first of many/others to come.

-

Considdering the fact that there is still a lot of info

and interviews he gave throughout his life, poeple he invited over to

tell stories to, etc.

All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

I'm very much convinced there is still a lot to be documented of what will be found and sorted from the Paisley shelves.

And not to foget the direct information there still is available

from Tyka and other family members. They still can bring in a lot more insight info.

Not to forget the bandmembers... etc.

-

.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

BartVanHemelen said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The existing contract was null and void.

P could no longer deliver on the contract after his death.

The contract was re-negotiated.

.

1. The publisher had 20/30 handwritten pages.

.

2. Money had been paid.

.

Both the publisher and the estate had an interest in producing something of value.

bsprout said:

The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin


After Prince died they could have quashed the book. With no valid contract, pages and money can be returned. Now that the book is doing so well, they might be interested in continuing with more of the material in some format as Van said.

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Reply #299 posted 11/07/19 7:18am

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TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said:
Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.
Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

Happy New Year!!
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