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Reply #330 posted 11/11/19 10:03pm

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Reply #331 posted 11/12/19 4:40am

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It kinda sux that the book discussion is centered around articles and sales.

Why is that??

There is much to talk about.


Seriously, no one wants to talk about Ps written relationship with his parents?


Uh, no one said you couldn’t discuss his relationship with his parents. If you have a comment about that, then say it, and there will be a discussion on it (or not). I don’t know. As for me, I haven’t had time to read the book again to make a remotely interesting comment about his relationship with his parents. I’m sure if I had one, I would. This thread is for anything about the book, as far as i can tell.
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Reply #332 posted 11/12/19 7:29am

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The relationship he's written about with his dad genuinely shocked me. From my extensive reading over the years etc I always thought they had a strained relationship, JL was borderline jealous of P's success etc. So, to hear of the polar opposite is both surprising but also [if true!] heartening.

As for his relationship with his mother...oooh lawdy she sounded like a fun person to be around.

The duality of Prince's Gemini is beautifully explained by him.

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Reply #333 posted 11/12/19 7:44am

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Jesus....now this was the clip that just came back to me...John L Nelson..really does contradict P's story I think..assuming they reconcilled afterwards. Cringeworthy from P & Sharon.

https://www.youtube.com/w...e=youtu.be

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Reply #334 posted 11/12/19 7:54am

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[Edited 11/12/19 9:48am]

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Reply #335 posted 11/12/19 8:05am

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1



Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....



Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.
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Reply #336 posted 11/12/19 8:22am

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1

Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....


Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.


Good observations. John Nelson was from Louisiana too, nothing but great piano players. Would love to hear some recordings from John's PRN band gigs, have also thought of that.

For some reason the org links rarely work. I started posting the title with the link so at least you can find it on the google search.

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Reply #337 posted 11/12/19 8:28am

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poppys said:



Hamad said:


PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1



Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....




Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.



Good observations. John Nelson was from Louisiana too, nothing but great piano players. Would love to hear some recordings from John's PRN band gigs, have also thought of that.

For some reason the org links rarely work. I started posting the title with the link so at least you can find it on the google search.



Thanks! I thought I was crazy with that observation, glad somebody else thought of that same thing. Sorry can you tell me the name of the thread title again? lol it’s kind of a long thread so far, I’m not sure which reply to look for.
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Reply #338 posted 11/12/19 8:33am

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Reply #339 posted 11/12/19 9:46am

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1

Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....

Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.

apologies, will hunt out the correct link.

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Reply #340 posted 11/12/19 9:48am

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Try this link:

https://www.youtube.com/w...yr-TaMi0gA

A very different picture...P would have been furious with them both.

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Reply #341 posted 11/12/19 10:29am

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to me Prince seemed to be tryin to be postive with what he wrote in the book..i coudnt detect any negativity

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Reply #342 posted 11/12/19 10:51am

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jfenster said:

to me Prince seemed to be tryin to be postive with what he wrote in the book..i coudnt detect any negativity



I think as he got older, he had a different perspective about his parents, and the choices they made when he was a child.

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Reply #343 posted 11/12/19 10:54am

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jfenster said:

to me Prince seemed to be tryin to be postive with what he wrote in the book..i coudnt detect any negativity



I think as he got older, he had a different perspective about his parents, and the choices they made when he was a child.

totally agree. I am guessing that as we all saw he grew older & very much wiser & probably had a different take on their relationship. Glad he reconcilled it...first sign of this I guess was with Arboretum (link to unofficial upload deleted - l'ange bleu moderator)



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Reply #344 posted 11/12/19 10:58am

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Can we talk about Prince's sketching skills! Ahhh love that dude....bet he was such a good guy to be around when he was a young teen in fun mode!

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Reply #345 posted 11/13/19 12:21pm

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Reply #347 posted 11/13/19 1:56pm

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^^ Noice! heart

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Reply #348 posted 11/13/19 3:42pm

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🙌 so happy his book is doing well!!
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Reply #349 posted 11/14/19 2:15pm

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Reply #350 posted 11/14/19 5:21pm

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His handwritten story of his early years is so touching...the drawings...the old photos and his own photo album...the original “Dreams” script - all make this a must-have. Not surprising it’s a top seller smile
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Reply #351 posted 11/15/19 4:05am

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Reply #352 posted 11/18/19 5:41pm

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does anyone know how to get a copy with the purple ribbon bookmark? Picked up my copy. It says first edition but it is missing the bookmark. What the heck?
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Reply #353 posted 11/18/19 6:21pm

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Vanilli said:

does anyone know how to get a copy with the purple ribbon bookmark? Picked up my copy. It says first edition but it is missing the bookmark. What the heck?

Didn't know it came with a bookmark.

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Reply #354 posted 11/19/19 5:15am

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does anyone know how to get a copy with the purple ribbon bookmark? Picked up my copy. It says first edition but it is missing the bookmark. What the heck?

Waterstones in the UK had a limited first run with purple pages and a purple bookmark. Last I checked the shelves were being replenished with the standard bookmark/white page version.

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Reply #355 posted 11/19/19 5:30am

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Has anyone else noticed (sorry if it's been discussed before) that photos of Owen were removed from the photo pages (in Part 2 of the book), most probably by Prince? At least in 3 cases Prince's own photo captions mention Owen where the photos are missing.
I wonder when did he remove the photos and why. Was it still about that case when Owen was still his manager and refused to run out and bring him a space heater or something? smile

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Reply #356 posted 11/19/19 4:22pm

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Has anyone else noticed (sorry if it's been discussed before) that photos of Owen were removed from the photo pages (in Part 2 of the book), most probably by Prince? At least in 3 cases Prince's own photo captions mention Owen where the photos are missing.
I wonder when did he remove the photos and why. Was it still about that case when Owen was still his manager and refused to run out and bring him a space heater or something? smile

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I may be wrong, but I think he may have heard that Owen did not really believe in him.

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Reply #357 posted 11/19/19 5:01pm

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Prince have always pushed Owen out of the narrative (i.e. that Larry King interview from Rave era). It was a shitty thing to do & I don’t think Owen didn’t believe in him, he sacrificed a lot for him which negates that claim. However, I don’t think Owen would’ve taken him further on his career, he managed Jesse Johnson at one point in time and that didn’t really secure Jesse the career he deserved. I think the whole space heater was just a passive aggressive reaction from Prince.
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Reply #358 posted 11/19/19 5:51pm

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Prince have always pushed Owen out of the narrative (i.e. that Larry King interview from Rave era). It was a shitty thing to do & I don’t think Owen didn’t believe in him, he sacrificed a lot for him which negates that claim. However, I don’t think Owen would’ve taken him further on his career, he managed Jesse Johnson at one point in time and that didn’t really secure Jesse the career he deserved. I think the whole space heater was just a passive aggressive reaction from Prince.
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Prince wanted Owen to be his Manager, Personal Assistant and Errand Boy. Owen wasn’t going to do that. Once Prince made the big bucks he was able to have all three of those and more. I believe Owen also later went after him for more money based on the contract they signed, so no doubt that caused a conflict with Prince.
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I agree it’s a shame that Prince dissed him during the LK interview. Owen was a key factor in his getting the demo done and the record deal.
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Reply #359 posted 11/20/19 3:11am

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Touré has an article in the New York Times where he "reviews" several music bios. Interestingly, the article isn't available at the NYT site anymore, but it is still available in the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/w...-john.html

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Excerpts:

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Prince also describes violence in his home in THE BEAUTIFUL ONES (Spiegel & Grau, $30). “The sound of Ur parents fighting is chilling when U’re a child. If it happens 2 become physical, it can b soul-crushing. One night I remember hearing them arguing & it got physical. At some point my mother crashed in2 my bedroom and grabbed me. She was crying but managed a smile & said, ‘Tell Ur father 2 b nice 2 me.’” They divorced when he was 7.

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[...]

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In ON TIME (Da Capo, $27), written with David Ritz, Morris Day admits that he was a stoner, saying, “Weed provided a filter that mellowed me out while intensifying the music.” He also notes that Prince was sober: “He didn’t need that extra creative boost. … He could get to that higher plateau without stimulants. … I also think Prince feared drugs. … Prince needed control at all times. He didn’t want his vision clouded or his mind altered.”

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Prince’s is by far the most eagerly anticipated of this crop of books. When news broke that he was writing his autobiography, there was an audible gasp from the culture: Finally! But, tragically, Prince died shortly after starting the process, so we see his reflections on his preteens and little else; Dan Piepenbring continued the project and writes about the experience in his introduction. It’s typical of Prince that this book gives us a glimpse of the real artist — but only a glimpse. [...]

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Prince’s book is so short, I read it in about 20 minutes. If he were not such a massive star, the publishing house surely would’ve rejected the manuscript for being far too small to do anything with. Instead, they filled the book with archival photos and handwritten pages, but it’s all too pithy for anyone but superfans to care about.

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Fortunately, Morris Day’s memoir arrives in the same month as his old friend’s. Day grew up a few blocks from Prince and played drums in his first band, Grand Central. The two remained close for decades. Day’s book has him in conversation with Prince’s ghost, arguing about how to tell the story, and gives us details about Prince that he never got to tell his memoirist. [...] Day has a front-row seat for the life of one of the greatest musicians of all time and his book is a worshipful telling of what Prince’s rise looked like from his vantage.

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Click the link for the full article.

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