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Reply #120 posted 11/30/19 7:51pm

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Something someone said here resonated with me earlier while jamming 2 this n being elated to finally be free of holiday music. Yes Feel U Up is a step up n terms of sound QUALITY but that little synth solo/ flourish at like 3.5 minutes in is barely audible compared to boot versions. I mean it's there but I wanna feel that shit u know 😂. Damn near my favorite part. Only gripe.
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Reply #121 posted 11/30/19 8:16pm

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Romeoblu said:
Which tracks have massive reverb? Personally I love the sound of the mixes on originals. [Edited 11/30/19 8:40am]
The only one they stuck out right away from the unreleased discs is the tour demo, and Feel U Up seems a bit hollow. It seems like one other stuck out but I can’t remember. Most don’t sound excessively echoey to me.



Listen to the boot of If It'll Make U Happy alongside the released version. The difference is night and day. On the boot, it's like he's singing in my house. On this version, he's on the far side of an arena. Sure what they've released sounds great in its own way, but how do they arrive at the decision to slap on an effect that I simply can't imagine Prince using? Someone really needs to let go of this reverb fetish.

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Reply #122 posted 11/30/19 10:16pm

LoveGalore

airth said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


Romeoblu said:
Which tracks have massive reverb? Personally I love the sound of the mixes on originals. [Edited 11/30/19 8:40am]

The only one they stuck out right away from the unreleased discs is the tour demo, and Feel U Up seems a bit hollow. It seems like one other stuck out but I can’t remember. Most don’t sound excessively echoey to me.



Listen to the boot of If It'll Make U Happy alongside the released version. The difference is night and day. On the boot, it's like he's singing in my house. On this version, he's on the far side of an arena. Sure what they've released sounds great in its own way, but how do they arrive at the decision to slap on an effect that I simply can't imagine Prince using? Someone really needs to let go of this reverb fetish.



Prince chose to add the doubled up vocal. Isolate the right channel. There's really not the reverb you're suggesting.
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Reply #123 posted 12/01/19 12:39am

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FunkyStrange said:

if its this one - https://www.youtube.com/w...xVROoCu3Cg I think its a fake. just some guy playing around with oftware to strip some of the synths away , not a real mix..

Yes, that's the one I was talking about. Thanks for letting me know it's fake.



Come on, it's not fake...

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Reply #124 posted 12/01/19 12:39am

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LoveGalore said:

airth said:



Listen to the boot of If It'll Make U Happy alongside the released version. The difference is night and day. On the boot, it's like he's singing in my house. On this version, he's on the far side of an arena. Sure what they've released sounds great in its own way, but how do they arrive at the decision to slap on an effect that I simply can't imagine Prince using? Someone really needs to let go of this reverb fetish.

Prince chose to add the doubled up vocal. Isolate the right channel. There's really not the reverb you're suggesting.


I'm not talking about the doubled up vocal. That comes in at about 40 seconds. Compare the single vocal up until that point with the boot. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'm guessing the boot is what Prince had in mind when he mixed it.

I'll add that I'm delighted with the release. There are just a couple of things I think they could be handling better.


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Reply #125 posted 12/01/19 12:41am

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airth said:

LoveGalore said:

airth said: Prince chose to add the doubled up vocal. Isolate the right channel. There's really not the reverb you're suggesting.


I'm not talking about the doubled up vocal. That comes in at about 40 seconds. Compare the single vocal up until that point with the boot. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'm guessing the boot is what Prince had in mind when he mixed it.

I'll add that I'm delighted with the release. There are just a couple of things I think they could be handling better.


Or it could just simply be an early mix?

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Reply #126 posted 12/01/19 1:01am

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TheSilentMikey said:

airth said:


I'm not talking about the doubled up vocal. That comes in at about 40 seconds. Compare the single vocal up until that point with the boot. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'm guessing the boot is what Prince had in mind when he mixed it.

I'll add that I'm delighted with the release. There are just a couple of things I think they could be handling better.


Or it could just simply be an early mix?


Maybe. I've just done a comparison between the released and boot versions of Possessed and they are identical in terms of they way they're mixed. That would indictate they really are trying to do their best to respect Prince's original vision. I hope that's the case.


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Reply #127 posted 12/01/19 1:49am

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Bold Generation actually sounds like it is a rehearsal with the band, with Prince on keys. I don't know, it just has that live feel to it.

And maybe it's Morris Day on the drums...

[Edited 12/1/19 11:59am]

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Reply #128 posted 12/01/19 2:26am

LoveGalore

ForbiddenFruit said:

leadline said:

Bold Generation actually sounds like it is a rehearsal with the band, with Prince on keys. I don't know, it just has that live feel to it.

And maybe its Morris Day on the drums...

No maybe about it - that's him and is why Michael Howe strongly believed it was originally intended for The Time.

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Reply #129 posted 12/01/19 4:19am

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Is it just me or are the vocal effects on Feel U Up much heavier than on the boot version?

I mean the " under water" effect on the vocals starting halfway the track. I never really noticed that on the boot version and to be honest I think it's pretty annoying on the released version.

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Reply #130 posted 12/01/19 4:37am

PurpleBlackmon

I made my own version of Vagina with a drum track and it sounds pretty damn good

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Reply #131 posted 12/01/19 6:14am

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LoveGalore said:

kindofblue said:

Question to the bootleg experts: Are there any bootleg tracks we can get rid of now?


I guess the old Moonbeam Levels and the snippet of If It'll Make You happy are useless now? What about Do Yourself A Favour and Possessed? Any notable differences to the previously circulating bootleg recordings?


Thanks!



You can definitely get rid of:

Do Yourself A Favor
Possessed
Moonbeam Levels
Don't let him fool ya
No Call U
Turn It Up
Feel U Up
Irresistible Bitch
Delirious (full)
Purple Music

I would keep:

Something in the Water (no fade in)
If It'll Make U Happy (if you like the minimal lead vocal)
Yah U Know (1986 mix)
Teacher Teacher (1986 mix)
[Edited 11/29/19 7:18am]

Is the reason that you say we can get rid of these bootlegs because (A) the new released version is the same as the old bootleg version except for better sound quality or (B) the new released version is a different and better performance than the bootleg or (C) something else?
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Reply #132 posted 12/01/19 7:28am

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TheSilentMikey said:

lurker316 said:

Yes, that's the one I was talking about. Thanks for letting me know it's fake.



Come on, it's not fake...

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I've always assumed that the multitrack was required to produce that result. Yes, you can still hear the synth, very faintly, but I thought it was just "track bleeding" or something like that.

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Reply #133 posted 12/01/19 11:53am

Romeoblu

My ratings

Feel U Up 9
Irresistible Bitch 10
Money Don't Grow on Trees 9
Vagina 9
Rearrange 10
Bold Generation 9
Colleen 8
International Lover 9
Turn It Up 9
You're All I Want 9
Something In The Water 9
If It'll Make You Happy 9
How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore 10

I'm probably just favoring this vault selection over 2 at the moment as more of this new to me.
[Edited 12/1/19 11:56am]
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Reply #134 posted 12/01/19 12:29pm

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Bold Generation could be the theme song to accompany the #OkBoomer meme.
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Reply #135 posted 12/01/19 2:00pm

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lust said:

Bold Generation could be the theme song to accompany the #OkBoomer meme.

🤣

And generally guys -I get the need to be sticklers and share your attention to detail within the community, but this is an amazing release! Basically what we’ve been dreaming about for 30+ Years!
So, we’ve been exposed over the years to boot collections that have taken away a bit of the novelty. This is still awesome. Appreciate it! Lol
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Reply #136 posted 12/01/19 2:29pm

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skipthecharades said:

Is it just me or are the vocal effects on Feel U Up much heavier than on the boot version?

I mean the " under water" effect on the vocals starting halfway the track. I never really noticed that on the boot version and to be honest I think it's pretty annoying on the released version.


No, not just you, it is because the person 'curating' these songs muddied up the vocal track with echo and reverb. I true head scratcher.

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Reply #137 posted 12/01/19 2:55pm

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leadline said:

fredmagnus said:

FX3 said: My thoughts too. Michael, get Peggy back in the house PLEASE.




THANK YOU, I have said this many times here. What a freakin' shame, his destruction of Prince's music by throwing heavy reverb on anything and everything he comes in contact with is in full force.

Originals suffered from this treatment and so has this set. Slow songs, fast songs, it doesn't seem to matter, but funk tracks? Funk tracks are no place for dripping wet heavy reverb on the vocals. I just don't get it.


There is literally no time in Prince's past that he has done this with his vocals. They talk about respecting his process, etc, this is a slap in the face to his process.


[Edited 11/30/19 4:38am]

i's suggest adding an overkill of noise reduction as done on most boots will solve you're 'reverb' issue. It will disappear just as it did on most boots

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Reply #138 posted 12/01/19 2:59pm

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leadline said:

skipthecharades said:

Is it just me or are the vocal effects on Feel U Up much heavier than on the boot version?

I mean the " under water" effect on the vocals starting halfway the track. I never really noticed that on the boot version and to be honest I think it's pretty annoying on the released version.


No, not just you, it is because the person 'curating' these songs muddied up the vocal track with echo and reverb. I true head scratcher.

it's on the former boot as well, just not so clearly audible as with the track in general on former boots. Just give it another try, it's there alright

[Edited 12/1/19 14:59pm]

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Reply #139 posted 12/01/19 4:00pm

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leadline said:



skipthecharades said:


Is it just me or are the vocal effects on Feel U Up much heavier than on the boot version?


I mean the " under water" effect on the vocals starting halfway the track. I never really noticed that on the boot version and to be honest I think it's pretty annoying on the released version.




No, not just you, it is because the person 'curating' these songs muddied up the vocal track with echo and reverb. I true head scratcher.



I think Niko Bolas may be responsible judging from this tweet:

https://mobile.twitter.co...9004293121
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Reply #140 posted 12/01/19 4:17pm

LoveGalore

controversy99 said:

LoveGalore said:



You can definitely get rid of:

Do Yourself A Favor
Possessed
Moonbeam Levels
Don't let him fool ya
No Call U
Turn It Up
Feel U Up
Irresistible Bitch
Delirious (full)
Purple Music

I would keep:

Something in the Water (no fade in)
If It'll Make U Happy (if you like the minimal lead vocal)
Yah U Know (1986 mix)
Teacher Teacher (1986 mix)
[Edited 11/29/19 7:18am]

Is the reason that you say we can get rid of these bootlegs because (A) the new released version is the same as the old bootleg version except for better sound quality or (B) the new released version is a different and better performance than the bootleg or (C) something else?


Yes
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Reply #141 posted 12/01/19 4:45pm

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LoveGalore said:

controversy99 said:


Is the reason that you say we can get rid of these bootlegs because (A) the new released version is the same as the old bootleg version except for better sound quality or (B) the new released version is a different and better performance than the bootleg or (C) something else?


Yes

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Um, yeah, so is it A, B, or C? Or if it’s different reasons for different tracks, maybe you could assign A, B, or C to each one. I very much want to know, and my bootleg collection isn’t large enough or organized enough to figure it all out. And some of the readily available bootleg versions on line have been taken down recently.
[Edited 12/1/19 16:47pm]
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Reply #142 posted 12/01/19 4:53pm

LoveGalore

controversy99 said:

LoveGalore said:



Yes

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Um, yeah, so is it A, B, or C? Or if it’s different reasons for different tracks, maybe you could assign A, B, or C to each one. I very much want to know, and my bootleg collection isn’t large enough or organized enough to figure it all out. And some of the readily available bootleg versions on line have been taken down recently.
[Edited 12/1/19 16:47pm]


On the SDE:

Delirious is better fidelity and lacks extra seconds of silence. Purple Music and Feel U Up are slightly different mixes but better overall and pristine. The rest are definitive versions in CD quality.
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Reply #143 posted 12/01/19 8:53pm

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LoveGalore said:

controversy99 said:


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Um, yeah, so is it A, B, or C? Or if it’s different reasons for different tracks, maybe you could assign A, B, or C to each one. I very much want to know, and my bootleg collection isn’t large enough or organized enough to figure it all out. And some of the readily available bootleg versions on line have been taken down recently.
[Edited 12/1/19 16:47pm]


On the SDE:

Delirious is better fidelity and lacks extra seconds of silence. Purple Music and Feel U Up are slightly different mixes but better overall and pristine. The rest are definitive versions in CD quality.

Thanks!
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Reply #144 posted 12/01/19 9:02pm

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LoveGalore said:

Bold Generation has just floored me. An absolute killer track - I simply can't understand how it got left behind for so long. It is the most Funkadelic-sounding song he's ever done, in my opinion. I can't fathom why he would record overtop the 2" (according to Michael Howe) and I desperately hope a better source surfaces at some point.


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Rearrange is great - slightly less catchy to me at first, but it grew quickly. It is not nearly as similar to Lady Cab Driver as the reviews suggested. While clearly he rearranged the song under a different premise, he didn't borrow any tracks from this demo in its recreation. Another stunning "Why did this get left behind?" moment.


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In a similar vein, You're All I Want is great and the clear prototype for Horny Toad. While I think Horny Toad was more of a success, this track's production quality is immense. I could see it being put on HitNRun 3 and nobody batting an eye.


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Great to hear Feel U Up and Irresistible Bitch in such great quality though Feel U Up is a head-scratcher. The fact his vocal is buried in the mix, the fact it is not a seamless transition between the two, and the fact the fidelity changes dramatically when it switches over. Michael Howe made it clear they were two independent songs from independent sources (ie. not tracked together on the 2"), but I would think they could've worked on these two a bit more.


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Prince's choice to add the staccato-style vocal arrangement here (reminiscent of "Pop Life" etc) is a strange choice to me when comparing to the leaked snippet which is quite beautiful. At one point, the vocals sort of trip on each other because of this, so I find it a little distracting when wearing cans. It ends up puling my ears in opposite directions for sec. Other than that, brilliant and sincere song.


Bold Generation and Rearrange both have a funkadelic vibe to me, just slightly different time periods of p-funk. The guitar in Rearrange reminds me of some p-funk solos.
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Reply #145 posted 12/01/19 9:34pm

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I’m loving the new to me songs and versions on this disc. Some thoughts and ranking:
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Rearrange
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Love, love, love this track. 10/10. This is the best, most out front and powerful guitar solo work of his entire career of studio releases. It actually captures some of the vitality and strength of his live guitar solos that is almost entirely absent from his studio releases. I’m not entirely sold on some of the guitar feedback and distortion parts, but I’m still glad to hear them. It’s not exactly a brilliant composition, but the performance more than makes up for it.
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Bold Generation
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Yes, yes. 10/10. Another strong performance. The composition is stronger than Rearrange, but I rank it just a little below Rearrange, probably because I’ve listened to the released NPG so this isn’t as new to me. In the middle just when I thought the song was about to drag, he hits us with some great, funky rhythm guitar.
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Vagina
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Everything about this song is great except naming the title character “Vagina” is distracting and lessens the impact of an otherwise great song. Why not almost any other name? But the song rocks and the lyrics are cool otherwise. It’s almost an anthem, but not quite. 9/10
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If It’ll Make U Happy
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Total surprise to me to hear this lightly reggae influenced track. Lyrics could be a bit better, but it’s extremely enjoyable.
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Those are the highlights for me.
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I love a couple of the other songs, too, but they’re not on repeat because I already have boots that are basically the same versions but with lesser sound quality.
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Reply #146 posted 12/02/19 9:31am

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controversy99 said:

Rearrange . Love, love, love this track. 10/10. This is the best, most out front and powerful guitar solo work of his entire career of studio releases.

eek

Seriously?

I mean, I respect your opinion and I love the song Rearrange but....most powerful guitar solo of his entire career (of studio releases)?

Really ?

What makes it that special to you?

Not judging your taste here, I think it´s a great song but....best guitar solo work of his entire career sounds like a stretch to me considering how many great solos he´s recorded.

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Reply #147 posted 12/02/19 1:20pm

tomds

Money don't grow on trees has the same feeling to me as R&R love affair.
Rearrange could have been a 2010 Outtake.
So much fun to see everyone being enthousiastic about the new songs but were bitching about his 2010-2012 output. As we can see now, his style in his older days weren't that different from the one in his peak. He was always great.
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Reply #148 posted 12/02/19 1:35pm

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I see huge hit potential in Money Don't Grow On Trees. Short, Americana, appealing to music heads who wants to learn a new chord on their accoustic guitar. But even for a mainstream audiences who could recognize the lyrical content. Dare I even say Vagina could be a huuuuge anthem in the LGBT community. Punk Rock style, anarchistic in sound. Speaks to a young audience. Depends how you promote them. They sound fresh and modern.
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Reply #149 posted 12/02/19 5:16pm

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Finding it hard to accept that Bold Generation was recorded in 1982. There's something so New Jack about it.

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