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LoveGalore

"The real story behind LRC" and other fanfic from Wendy & Lisa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/...ai1aH_gHuQ

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*** ENJOY the article and the talk of the songs, DO NOT, turn this into another 'who did Prince love the most... or whatever thread'***

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On "Sometimes It Snows in April" (a song confirmed to have originated from For You):

Wendy: "We were at Sunset Sound in Los Angeles, Prince, me and Lisa, just the three of us, and we were all in quiet moods. I picked up an acoustic and Lisa was playing piano and we just started coming up with a motif, a progression. Prince is very quick with words, so it kind of just happened in a couple of hours. He'd written the whole lyric and sung the whole song. It came very fast."

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Why did Prince withdraw from that psychedelic style?

Wendy: "Because we were gone. And once we were gone, he turned into a different person. That's the nature of who he was."

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On "All My Dreams":

Wendy: "I wish Lisa and I could get our hands on All My Dreams and finish it up for him."

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On the inception of "Little Red Corvette" (a brand new retelling of the origin):

"So I imagine they were making out, or doing whatever, in the back seat and they probably had a wonderful moment of afterglow, which is when he got the seed of the idea... But it's not a red Corvette, it's a pink Mercury!"

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Reply #1 posted 11/27/19 7:23pm

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Isn’t LRC inspired by Mi-Ling Poole?
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Reply #2 posted 11/27/19 7:27pm

LoveGalore

Hamad said:

Isn’t LRC inspired by Mi-Ling Poole?

The mystery continues. Will we ever know the truth?

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Reply #3 posted 11/27/19 7:46pm

Hamad

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Touché! Lately I’ve been skeptical of Lisa & Wendy & some of the narratives & fallacies they pushed out so far.
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Reply #4 posted 11/27/19 7:52pm

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ENJOY the article and the talk of the songs, DO NOT, turn this into another 'who did Prince love the most... or whatever thread'

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #5 posted 11/27/19 7:59pm

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Great interview! Wendy has some very nice words for Lisa.
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Reply #6 posted 11/27/19 9:25pm

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It is about Mi-Ling, she was the inspiration behind the song.


There is an interview with her located near bottom of the page. See link.

https://funkatopia.com/fu...e-mi-ling/




Michael Dean podcast. https://www.youtube.com/w...oRoX-yGxNQ

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Reply #7 posted 11/27/19 9:35pm

LoveGalore

luv4u said:

It is about Mi-Ling, she was the inspiration behind the song.


There is an interview with her located near bottom of the page. See link.

https://funkatopia.com/fu...e-mi-ling/




Michael Dean podcast. https://www.youtube.com/w...oRoX-yGxNQ



You do know that anyone can claim anything, right? No facts here.
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Reply #8 posted 11/27/19 9:47pm

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Wendy: "I wish Lisa and I could get our hands on All My Dreams and finish it up for him."

Lisa: "That was such an interesting, fun, crazy day in the studio. When you listen to it, it's like a little movie or something. It had a carnival atmosphere."

Wendy: "Do you remember around that time we took him to see Kid Creole and the Coconuts and he fell in love with August Darnell singing through the megaphone? He made [studio engineer] Susan Rogers buy him one for that song."

Lisa: "It's so full of imagination. He sings, 'Lisa, I'm going to give you the paintbrush and you're going to paint the side of the train'. What does that mean?! And then I do some crazy piano solo, just pounding around, and we were just like, "Y'arr! This is great! This is just fantastic!'"

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All my dreams
All my dreams, all my dreams

[Verse 1]
I'll see you tonight in all my dreams
All my dreams
My spirit's in flight in all my dreams
All my dreams
A submarine valiantly conquers a virgin sea
A child is born, a child is born, will you marry me?

[Verse 2]
I'll teach you tonight (tonight, tonight) in all my dreams
All my dreams
You'll be so surprised (surprised, surprised) at things you'll see
All my dreams
Africa, Cap'n Crunch, Norma Jean, Sex and Cheerio's
Play my record double speed, feel the climax fit for a king

Just fun, nothing ethereal

Here ye, here ye, one and all
That the double speed playhouse is making a call

Welcome, this is where I live
This is where I dream my dreams
Tonight we'll make love until the world stops turning
You're small but very strong
You move like a cat: quickly but gentle
So insane
He caressed her in her eyes and licked her abdomen
She shivered with delight
Over and over she nibbled his ear
You'd think it was wrong to have so much fun
He held her tightly until it almost hurt
But his hips, they moved so slowly
She wanted to stop breathing
You can feel every curve of her womanhood
You can see every thought in his brain
A submarine slowly moves through the virgin sea
Oh so slowly
She wants to stop breathing
You... you can feel every curve


Lisa, I'm gonna give you the brush and you're gonna paint the side of the train

She squeezes tighter as the submarine goes deeper in depth
Into the unnavigated territory
A smile, ever so slight, appears on his face as she starts to cry
Until they come, together, slowly
They wish for somethin', as if they could see a parallel future in the sea
They do not speak
They only stare out the moment in time

Marry me today and tonight we'll make love until the world stops turning
(I'm dreaming of a world)
(Wherein there shines the sun)
(Wherein there lay the stars)
(Wherein there lie the stones)
Gentle, but quickly

We'll travel tonight in all my dreams
All my dreams

All my dreams, all my dreams
Goodness will guide us if love is inside us
The colors are brighter, the bond is much tighter
You know no child's a failure
Until the blue sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't ever lose, don't ever lose
Don't ever lose your dreams
Yeah!

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recorded on April 28th 1985 @ Sunset Sound

It was included as the ninth and final track on a 5.1.1985 configuration of Parade, but was removed before the album's release. The track was later included as the nineteenth and final track on a 6.3.1986 configuration of the album Dream Factory, and kept as the eighteenth and final track on the 7.18.1986 configuration.

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A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #9 posted 11/27/19 10:07pm

SoulAlive

“All My Dreams” would have worked really well on Parade,perhaps in place of “Mountains”.
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Reply #10 posted 11/27/19 10:27pm

LoveGalore

I definitely don't think there is anything to "finish" on that song.
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Reply #11 posted 11/27/19 10:33pm

mediumdry

I'm not reading any "fiction" in those quotes. I also don't understand why there's so much hatred for Wendy and Lisa on this forum. They were quite important to Prince at one point and later they were not..

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Reply #12 posted 11/27/19 10:43pm

LoveGalore

mediumdry said:

I'm not reading any "fiction" in those quotes. I also don't understand why there's so much hatred for Wendy and Lisa on this forum. They were quite important to Prince at one point and later they were not..



They did not write Sometimes It Snows In April and the story of how he came up with Little Red Corvette is as old as dirt. I don't have any hatred for them at all. But they are well known to fib about the origin of songs. This is just another set of examples to add to the list.
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Reply #13 posted 11/27/19 11:04pm

andrewm7

I remember a few years back Dez Dickerson was auctioning a tape of Prince demos that had an embryonic version of "sometimes it snows in April" on it. I think there is a decent chance that the version we are all familiar with on the Parade album and the one early on may be variations on the same song.

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Reply #14 posted 11/27/19 11:25pm

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LoveGalore said:

luv4u said:

It is about Mi-Ling, she was the inspiration behind the song.


There is an interview with her located near bottom of the page. See link.

https://funkatopia.com/fu...e-mi-ling/




Michael Dean podcast. https://www.youtube.com/w...oRoX-yGxNQ



You do know that anyone can claim anything, right? No facts here.

Exactly! Only Prince knows for sure who any, if any, of his songs were inspired by.
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Reply #15 posted 11/27/19 11:45pm

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mediumdry said:

I'm not reading any "fiction" in those quotes. I also don't understand why there's so much hatred for Wendy and Lisa on this forum. They were quite important to Prince at one point and later they were not..



Not hatred, a lot of people love Lisa & Wendy, but there’s definitely been growing skepticism toward them for letting the Revolution kool-aid get to their heads. Either when it comes to their remarks about other Prince bands, or how they tried to change a narrative about certain music of his, it has been noticeable since his passing too. All Prince’ latest bands were quite important to him at one point of his time, if you remember his interviews when asked which band was his fave, his response was always “my band now”. They were the most popular group, anything beyond that is subjective.
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Reply #16 posted 11/28/19 2:02am

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LoveGalore said:

On "All My Dreams":

Wendy: "I wish Lisa and I could get our hands on All My Dreams and finish it up for him."


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This quote bothers me. Prince included 'All My Dreams' on a configuration of 'Parade' and two configurations of 'Dream Factory'. It's safe to assume from tapes that have circulated that at least two of those LP configurations were professionally mastered, or at the very least sequenced in house. On all the leaked tapes that included 'All My Dreams' it never changed.
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Given everything we know about this track I am 100% confident that Prince was completely satisfied with it.

Correction: I'd previously stated that 'All My Dreams' was included on all three configurations of Dream Factory. It was actually not included on the earliest version.

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Reply #17 posted 11/28/19 2:11am

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VaultCurator said:

LoveGalore said:

On "All My Dreams":

Wendy: "I wish Lisa and I could get our hands on All My Dreams and finish it up for him."


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This quote bothers me. Prince included 'All My Dreams' on a configuration of 'Parade' and all three configurations of 'Dream Factory'. It's safe to assume from tapes that have circulated that at least two of those LP configurations were professionally mastered, or at the very least sequenced in house. On all the leaked tapes that included 'All My Dreams' it never changed.
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Given everything we know about this track I am 100% confident that Prince was completely satisfied with it.

Well clearly not since he didn't release it, we have no idea what he might have done to it if it was released. I do agree that I'm not sure what W&L could change in it aside from maybe edit it slightly.


As for the Mi-Ling Poole thing, the idea that some random person on the Minneapolis scene can be trusted with her madcap theory is already laughable but it's also beside the point because at no point do they say that the song is not inspired by her, maybe they're incorrect about where the "seed" of the idea came from (I mean, to be pedantic, Lisa prefaces even this statement with "I imagine" so she's not claiming to know) but they're hardly correcting wrongs in this interview, they're just talking about their expriences. The whole "real story behind LRC" headline is misleading and just there for clicks tbh.




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jaawwnn said:

Well clearly not since he didn't release it, we have no idea what he might have done to it if it was released. I do agree that I'm not sure what W&L could change in it aside from maybe edit it slightly.

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I'd wager that had more with his relationship with Wendy & Lisa rather than how he felt about the song itself.

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Reply #19 posted 11/28/19 3:15am

TheFman

I remember that day in/around 1986 when I first heard All My Dreams, as it was yesterday.

My exact thoughts:

from the first note: brilliant!

After 10 seconds: a fucking masterpiece!!

And then came the signing:

I'll see you tonight in all my dreams --> Out of this world!!
and then, second line:
All my dreams --> and here's where it broke. Instead of signing a new full line, we got this 'stop' immediately on the second line, it broke the fluency of the song. As I was listening, I was so into this song that I so expected a different second line, I had it completely made up in my head already, and then i heard the unexpected and was deeply dissapointed at that moment.

It is still a masterpiece, between his 10 best pieces probably; but it could have been even higher.

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Reply #20 posted 11/28/19 4:13am

massing

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“All My Dreams” would have worked really well on Parade,perhaps in place of “Mountains”.

Keep your filthy hands off Mountains!!! lol

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LoveGalore said:

mediumdry said:

I'm not reading any "fiction" in those quotes. I also don't understand why there's so much hatred for Wendy and Lisa on this forum. They were quite important to Prince at one point and later they were not..



They did not write Sometimes It Snows In April and the story of how he came up with Little Red Corvette is as old as dirt. I don't have any hatred for them at all. But they are well known to fib about the origin of songs. This is just another set of examples to add to the list.


Funny but in concert The Revolution, When wendy spoke about “Snow” she says he wrote it “many moons” ago on April 21, so I’m not sure where they say they wrote the song. Prince used a lot of people’s parts and credited them on things they didn’t do and vice versa.

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Hamad said:

mediumdry said:

I'm not reading any "fiction" in those quotes. I also don't understand why there's so much hatred for Wendy and Lisa on this forum. They were quite important to Prince at one point and later they were not..



Not hatred, a lot of people love Lisa & Wendy, but there’s definitely been growing skepticism toward them for letting the Revolution kool-aid get to their heads. Either when it comes to their remarks about other Prince bands, or how they tried to change a narrative about certain music of his, it has been noticeable since his passing too. All Prince’ latest bands were quite important to him at one point of his time, if you remember his interviews when asked which band was his fave, his response was always “my band now”. They were the most popular group, anything beyond that is subjective.


But the reality is, that the era they were involved in is the one Prince is most looked on for, if Morris Hayes said tomorrow he wrote “Damn U” who would care?

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #23 posted 11/28/19 6:12am

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lastdecember said:

Hamad said:



Not hatred, a lot of people love Lisa & Wendy, but there’s definitely been growing skepticism toward them for letting the Revolution kool-aid get to their heads. Either when it comes to their remarks about other Prince bands, or how they tried to change a narrative about certain music of his, it has been noticeable since his passing too. All Prince’ latest bands were quite important to him at one point of his time, if you remember his interviews when asked which band was his fave, his response was always “my band now”. They were the most popular group, anything beyond that is subjective.


But the reality is, that the era they were involved in is the one Prince is most looked on for, if Morris Hayes said tomorrow he wrote “Damn U” who would care?


Hence the highlighted part from the initial post, they were the most popular brand, but there were bands - and band members - who stayed longer than them and we were just as important to him from what he expressed in the past. Who would care? He did. Fans’ favouritism is the reason why some of us are selective at what is “factual” what’s not, which why I ended my initial post by saying everything else is subjective after the highlighted remark. Did W&L stay with him longer than Morris? I might care, you might not care, but neither here nor there because he did razz that’s the bottom line to me as far as W&L’s concerned.
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Reply #24 posted 11/28/19 6:14am

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lastdecember said:

LoveGalore said:



They did not write Sometimes It Snows In April and the story of how he came up with Little Red Corvette is as old as dirt. I don't have any hatred for them at all. But they are well known to fib about the origin of songs. This is just another set of examples to add to the list.


Funny but in concert The Revolution, When wendy spoke about “Snow” she says he wrote it “many moons” ago on April 21, so I’m not sure where they say they wrote the song. Prince used a lot of people’s parts and credited them on things they didn’t do and vice versa.


Did you read the article? Or the blurb above? That is flat out stating they were working on an instrumental piece and he quickly wrote the lyrics on the spot.
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Reply #25 posted 11/28/19 6:52am

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Hmm... I hope their idea of 'finishing' that song is making minor mix adjustments, and not adding new elements or tinkering needlessly.
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Reply #26 posted 11/28/19 9:03am

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LoveGalore said:

lastdecember said:
Funny but in concert The Revolution, When wendy spoke about “Snow” she says he wrote it “many moons” ago on April 21, so I’m not sure where they say they wrote the song. Prince used a lot of people’s parts and credited them on things they didn’t do and vice versa.
Did you read the article? Or the blurb above? That is flat out stating they were working on an instrumental piece and he quickly wrote the lyrics on the spot.

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They may not have known the song. So it's their experience. They were working on some instrumental music and Prince basically thought it would fit well with the song he remembered from before and he communicated the words and chord changes to W&L. I'd love to hear the original version(s), I think it will be quite different, and probably without the long intro that the album version has. So I guess someone should let W&L know it's an old song (play them the old version?) and see if their story changes a bit. It probably will.

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It's not like they are exagerating their parts, like, for instance, Sheila E.

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Reply #27 posted 11/28/19 12:19pm

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From the interview:

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Wendy: "...All of the musicians that Prince hired over the years, including me, he can do all of their parts. The only musician he ever hired that he can't mimic was Lisa..."

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Can someone clarify that statement for me and/or give an example of a "Lisa part" that he couldn't imitate?

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Reply #28 posted 11/28/19 2:48pm

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massing said:

SoulAlive said:

“All My Dreams” would have worked really well on Parade,perhaps in place of “Mountains”.

Keep your filthy hands off Mountains!!! lol

lol lol

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Reply #29 posted 11/28/19 3:18pm

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The Wendy & Lisa conection to creating the music for SISIA (and Mountains) is NOT new. Way back in a 1986 issue of Rolling Stone, it was written that they were credited for co-writing those two tracks. Indeed, those two tracks sound very much like W&L's music at the time (See "This Is The Life" and "Waterfall" for example).

"The group’s latest album, Parade: Music from ‘Under the Cherry Moon,’ contains two songs – “Sometimes It Snows in April” and “Mountains” — co-written by Lisa and Wendy."

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lisa-coleman-and-wendy-melvoin-ladies-in-waiting-48039/

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