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Reply #90 posted 03/25/20 11:16pm

Wolfie87

slyjackson said:



herb4 said:


How "She's Always in my Hair" didn't wind up on ATWIAD as a lead single is one of them head scratchers. It would have made a great opening track for side 2 (or anywhere) and is better than any song on the album.

This was the beginning (or continuation one could argue) of Prince openly fucking with us. Obviously he did it before and always seemed one step ahead of "the game". The difference being that this was on the heels of the massive, world changing bomb of Purple Rain so him playing with folks was amplified.

"Raspberry Beret" is fine and a good song but imagine SAIMH htting radio stations out of nowhere in Spring of 85 similar to what he did with "When Doves Cry". I think that song's inclusion alone would have bumped reviews of the album up a star/number and would have generated a ton of buzz. But knowing Prince, he purposely relegated it to a b-side. He seemed like to feed us gradually, at his own pace, and keep us wanting. Seeking.

Come to think of it, all the b-sides from ATWIAD should have been on the album (Girl, SAIMH, Hello) but Prince was gonna Prince.

God bless him but it's a better record with those songs on it. Maybe not Hello which kind of feels like a b-side but the other 2 I think were more developed as the psychedlic tracks he was striving for and would have made for a stronger album.

Sorry for the rant.





You're not lying though.



Did he know how good the song was? Or was he just too occupied with creating new music and lost this track in the mix. Maybe he thought "It's just a song, nothing spectacular. Now listen to this instead Lisa, I call it Christopher Tracy's Parade. THAT is something special."
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Reply #91 posted 03/26/20 1:43am

SoulAlive

Do It All Night

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Reply #92 posted 03/26/20 2:51am

SquirrelMeat76

donnyenglish said:

Gonna Be Lonely

Great song, the best along with I Wanna Be Your Lover from that record.

For me, I would vote for Do U Lie. Love the whimsical feel of the song, and fits so well on Parade, with that French theme running through it.

I would also say Lady Cab Driver (as one of my very favourite Prince songs) but I don't think that is overrated somehow.

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Reply #93 posted 03/26/20 6:27am

JorisE73

Phase3 said:

"I'm yours"The guitar playing throughout is extraordinary.I wish he would have performed in concert but I dont think he ever has.


This is my choice to. This track shows his skills but specially the drumming is truly insane on this and I never heared anyone compliment him on his drumming on this track.

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Reply #94 posted 03/26/20 10:22am

Farfunknugin

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JorisE73 said:



Phase3 said:


"I'm yours"The guitar playing throughout is extraordinary.I wish he would have performed in concert but I dont think he ever has.


This is my choice to. This track shows his skills but specially the drumming is truly insane on this and I never heared anyone compliment him on his drumming on this track.


Hello- Phase3 said:

"I'm yours"The guitar playing throughout is extraordinary.I wish he would have performed in concert but I dont think he ever has.
We have a winner! And he did play it, at L.A. Live live back in 2009, on that 3 concerts in one night. The rockcentric club concert.

Yep I was there at the conga room & I was probably only a handful of people that recognized it, I was yelling for the trio to play the Undertaker in between songs but to no avail. Great night i'll never forget.
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Reply #95 posted 03/26/20 2:48pm

slyjackson

SquirrelMeat76 said:

donnyenglish said:

Gonna Be Lonely

Great song, the best along with I Wanna Be Your Lover from that record.

For me, I would vote for Do U Lie. Love the whimsical feel of the song, and fits so well on Parade, with that French theme running through it.

I would also say Lady Cab Driver (as one of my very favourite Prince songs) but I don't think that is overrated somehow.

Thoroughly agree with your two choices.

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Reply #96 posted 03/26/20 8:25pm

andrewm7

Annastesia, the beautiful ones, sometimes it snows in April

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Reply #97 posted 03/27/20 8:57am

mtlfan

Wolfie87 said:

slyjackson said:

You're not lying though.

Did he know how good the song was? Or was he just too occupied with creating new music and lost this track in the mix. Maybe he thought "It's just a song, nothing spectacular. Now listen to this instead Lisa, I call it Christopher Tracy's Parade. THAT is something special."

I recall reading somewhere that Wendy & Lisa said they tried guiding Prince in new directions, advising him against things that sounded "too Purple Rain." SAIMH, recorded in 1983, definitely sounds more PR than Around the World in a Day: no classical instruments or abstract lyrics, the flanged hi-hats sound like "Sex Shooter," and the piano chord rhythms sound like "The Beautiful Ones." I agree it probably could have been a big single, it's better than "Tamborine" and more accessible than much of ATWIAD, but Prince was "looking for the ladder," so to speak.

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Reply #98 posted 03/27/20 4:29pm

herb4

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mtlfan said:

Wolfie87 said:

slyjackson said: Did he know how good the song was? Or was he just too occupied with creating new music and lost this track in the mix. Maybe he thought "It's just a song, nothing spectacular. Now listen to this instead Lisa, I call it Christopher Tracy's Parade. THAT is something special."

I recall reading somewhere that Wendy & Lisa said they tried guiding Prince in new directions, advising him against things that sounded "too Purple Rain." SAIMH, recorded in 1983, definitely sounds more PR than Around the World in a Day: no classical instruments or abstract lyrics, the flanged hi-hats sound like "Sex Shooter," and the piano chord rhythms sound like "The Beautiful Ones." I agree it probably could have been a big single, it's better than "Tamborine" and more accessible than much of ATWIAD, but Prince was "looking for the ladder," so to speak.


all things being equal, from and artistic, independent and overall "fuck off, I'm gonna do me" standpoint, ATWIAD was brilliant and absolutely the right call. The games he played with the industry, his fans and even sometimes his women allowed him to stay fresh and never quite disappear.

Someone of relevance once called him "the world's most famous underground artist" and I've always thought that fit and was an apt description. I always dug the way he went about things, turning left when everyone else went right and usually picking the right times to re-assert himself commercially.

He could frustrate me but he was always interesting.

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Reply #99 posted 03/27/20 8:37pm

mtlfan

herb4 said:



mtlfan said:




Wolfie87 said:


slyjackson said: Did he know how good the song was? Or was he just too occupied with creating new music and lost this track in the mix. Maybe he thought "It's just a song, nothing spectacular. Now listen to this instead Lisa, I call it Christopher Tracy's Parade. THAT is something special."

I recall reading somewhere that Wendy & Lisa said they tried guiding Prince in new directions, advising him against things that sounded "too Purple Rain." SAIMH, recorded in 1983, definitely sounds more PR than Around the World in a Day: no classical instruments or abstract lyrics, the flanged hi-hats sound like "Sex Shooter," and the piano chord rhythms sound like "The Beautiful Ones." I agree it probably could have been a big single, it's better than "Tamborine" and more accessible than much of ATWIAD, but Prince was "looking for the ladder," so to speak.




all things being equal, from and artistic, independent and overall "fuck off, I'm gonna do me" standpoint, ATWIAD was brilliant and absolutely the right call. The games he played with the industry, his fans and even sometimes his women allowed him to stay fresh and never quite disappear.

Someone of relevance once called him "the world's most famous underground artist" and I've always thought that fit and was an apt description. I always dug the way he went about things, turning left when everyone else went right and usually picking the right times to re-assert himself commercially.

He could frustrate me but he was always interesting.


“The world’s most famous underground artist,” that’s apt. He really did reward those who worked to find the hidden gems.
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Reply #100 posted 03/28/20 1:26am

Buttox

gandorb said:



Pokeno4Money said:




It's been a long time since we've had a legit discussion thread about this.

Which released song of his pre-1990 doesn't get as much love as it should?

I'm gonna start with Do Me Baby, one of my all-time favorite songs.



Two that are in some way are similar in that it is Prince at his most idealistic/dreamiest, The Ladder and Free. I know these and other songs in a similar vein got slammed by many here, but it is one facet of Prince that I appreciate as it adds another dimension to his music. Only Prince could go from purely sexual to upliftinng in consecutive songs. I agree with those who don't believe Free fit well into 1999, but the songs itself is one I really like.



One song that most people seem to like but not love is Uptown. To me, it is as good as any of his songs on his first 4 albums. It is so funky and fun to sing along well. Who can resist rhyming Puerto Riccan with freakin! I, for one, can't.



A piano only version of the ladder without such a long spoken word portion and more tuneful verses would have been masterful...it is too meandering and over instrumented to be mainstream...
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Reply #101 posted 03/28/20 1:41am

Buttox

I'm gonna go with songs that should have charted or charted higher..irrespective of being singles or not:

1. Gotta broken heart again and When you were mine.

2. Private joy and controversy.

3. Automatic and lady cab driver

4. Purple Rain ( should have been no 1) and Beautiful Ones.

5. Paisley Park and Shes Always in my Hair

6. Desire and Mutiny

7. Starfish and Coffee, Adore, If I was Your Girlfriend, Its Gonna Be a Beautiful Night, It

8. Cindy C, Good Love, Bob George (a hip hop remix by Dr Dre or Ice Cube could have killed)

9. Eye No, Anna Stesia, When 2 R in Love.
-->Glam slam and eye Wish You Heaven charted badly but both songs feel unfinished somehow though both have great melodies.

10.Vicky Waiting, Trust

11. Elephants and Flowers, New Power Generation (pt1..pt2 not so much) and Still Would Stand All Time
[Edited 3/28/20 1:46am]
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Reply #102 posted 03/28/20 1:50am

Buttox

Wolfie87 said:

slyjackson said:



herb4 said:


How "She's Always in my Hair" didn't wind up on ATWIAD as a lead single is one of them head scratchers. It would have made a great opening track for side 2 (or anywhere) and is better than any song on the album.

This was the beginning (or continuation one could argue) of Prince openly fucking with us. Obviously he did it before and always seemed one step ahead of "the game". The difference being that this was on the heels of the massive, world changing bomb of Purple Rain so him playing with folks was amplified.

"Raspberry Beret" is fine and a good song but imagine SAIMH htting radio stations out of nowhere in Spring of 85 similar to what he did with "When Doves Cry". I think that song's inclusion alone would have bumped reviews of the album up a star/number and would have generated a ton of buzz. But knowing Prince, he purposely relegated it to a b-side. He seemed like to feed us gradually, at his own pace, and keep us wanting. Seeking.

Come to think of it, all the b-sides from ATWIAD should have been on the album (Girl, SAIMH, Hello) but Prince was gonna Prince.

God bless him but it's a better record with those songs on it. Maybe not Hello which kind of feels like a b-side but the other 2 I think were more developed as the psychedlic tracks he was striving for and would have made for a stronger album.

Sorry for the rant.





You're not lying though.



Did he know how good the song was? Or was he just too occupied with creating new music and lost this track in the mix. Maybe he thought "It's just a song, nothing spectacular. Now listen to this instead Lisa, I call it Christopher Tracy's Parade. THAT is something special."


AwTIAD would have been so much better with a completely different track list including The Family Tunes:

Pop life
Shes always in my Hair
Desire
Raspberry Beret
Mutiny
Paisley Park
Nothing Compares 2 U (Susannah only vocal)
The Ladder (short and piano only)
High Fashion
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Reply #103 posted 03/28/20 5:46am

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Pop Life. But apparently it was a bop at the time of its release so maybe it's not underrated

We are the flowers growin' in God's garden
And that is why he spreads the shit around
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Reply #104 posted 03/29/20 4:18pm

slyjackson

Buttox said:

I'm gonna go with songs that should have charted or charted higher..irrespective of being singles or not: 1. Gotta broken heart again and When you were mine. 2. Private joy and controversy. 3. Automatic and lady cab driver 4. Purple Rain ( should have been no 1) and Beautiful Ones. 5. Paisley Park and Shes Always in my Hair 6. Desire and Mutiny 7. Starfish and Coffee, Adore, If I was Your Girlfriend, Its Gonna Be a Beautiful Night, It 8. Cindy C, Good Love, Bob George (a hip hop remix by Dr Dre or Ice Cube could have killed) 9. Eye No, Anna Stesia, When 2 R in Love. -->Glam slam and eye Wish You Heaven charted badly but both songs feel unfinished somehow though both have great melodies. 10.Vicky Waiting, Trust 11. Elephants and Flowers, New Power Generation (pt1..pt2 not so much) and Still Would Stand All Time [Edited 3/28/20 1:46am]

Agree with all of them, I have always wondered, how come PR never made it to the top, it has everything to become a number one single.

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Reply #105 posted 03/29/20 4:22pm

slyjackson

donnadiavolo said:

Pop Life. But apparently it was a bop at the time of its release so maybe it's not underrated

I think it is, the UK extended version is a masterpiece to me.

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Reply #106 posted 03/30/20 9:38am

mtlfan

slyjackson said:

Buttox said:

I'm gonna go with songs that should have charted or charted higher..irrespective of being singles or not: 1. Gotta broken heart again and When you were mine. 2. Private joy and controversy. 3. Automatic and lady cab driver 4. Purple Rain ( should have been no 1) and Beautiful Ones. 5. Paisley Park and Shes Always in my Hair 6. Desire and Mutiny 7. Starfish and Coffee, Adore, If I was Your Girlfriend, Its Gonna Be a Beautiful Night, It 8. Cindy C, Good Love, Bob George (a hip hop remix by Dr Dre or Ice Cube could have killed) 9. Eye No, Anna Stesia, When 2 R in Love. -->Glam slam and eye Wish You Heaven charted badly but both songs feel unfinished somehow though both have great melodies. 10.Vicky Waiting, Trust 11. Elephants and Flowers, New Power Generation (pt1..pt2 not so much) and Still Would Stand All Time [Edited 3/28/20 1:46am]

Agree with all of them, I have always wondered, how come PR never made it to the top, it has everything to become a number one single.

"Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" kept it from the top spot, make of that what you will.

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Reply #107 posted 03/31/20 5:57pm

herb4

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slyjackson said:

donnadiavolo said:

Pop Life. But apparently it was a bop at the time of its release so maybe it's not underrated

I think it is, the UK extended version is a masterpiece to me.


Pop LIfe is great.

I remember listening to it in my car one day when I accidentally had the speakers flooded to one side and hearing the delayed vocals for the first real time in total isolation. They're layered maybe a second apart but the effect wasn't entirely apparent to me until that happened. Hendrix would do the same shit (Crosstown Traffic) on several songs.

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Reply #108 posted 03/31/20 8:24pm

Farfunknugin

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herb4 said:



slyjackson said:




donnadiavolo said:


Pop Life. But apparently it was a bop at the time of its release so maybe it's not underrated



I think it is, the UK extended version is a masterpiece to me.




Pop LIfe is great.

I remember listening to it in my car one day when I accidentally had the speakers flooded to one side and hearing the delayed vocals for the first real time in total isolation. They're layered maybe a second apart but the effect wasn't entirely apparent to me until that happened. Hendrix would do the same shit (Crosstown Traffic) on several songs.



Love this, p's.vocals are not discussed nearly enough. His use of multi-layering his voice to sound like a chorus is fantastic. 7 comes to mind immediately.
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