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Reply #750 posted 10/03/20 8:34pm

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Farfunknugin said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

what a ridiculous money grab by Prince's estate... this thing is a bloated mess. Very disapointed in some of the songs they threw on this

love the remastered album obviously but man these other songs suck... they are merely ideas

Ughh not the way you continue to build on Prince's legend/egacy

Stop trolling

You know what... I think I was just overwhelmed by the volume of material. I need to give this thing the time it deserves. Sorry fam... cut this long time Prince lover some slack

Peave and Love

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Reply #751 posted 10/04/20 1:02am

udo

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violetcrush said:

udo said:

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If you cannot discern a context I cannot help you.

Oh, I can "discern" just about anything and everything - including the difference between MY opinion, versus the facts or a general consensus - which seems to be your issue here.

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Do you try to equate a 'consesus' with facts?

Oh dear.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #752 posted 10/04/20 7:14am

violetcrush

udo said:

violetcrush said:

Oh, I can "discern" just about anything and everything - including the difference between MY opinion, versus the facts or a general consensus - which seems to be your issue here.

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Do you try to equate a 'consesus' with facts?

Oh dear.

Nope. Read my post again. I stated "facts OR consensus". I did not equate the two terms. However, I do measure "general consensus" against one or two opinions, which is exactly what's happening on this thread biggrin So, BYEEEEEEE

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Reply #753 posted 10/04/20 7:59am

udo

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violetcrush said:

udo said:

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Do you try to equate a 'consesus' with facts?

Oh dear.

Nope. Read my post again. I stated "facts OR consensus". I did not equate the two terms. However, I do measure "general consensus" against one or two opinions, which is exactly what's happening on this thread biggrin So, BYEEEEEEE

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Facts can be different from a consensus.

Unless there is a consens about facts.

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So how much slow is the live show?

What songs are missing?

What is the practicality of the physical design?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #754 posted 10/04/20 9:19am

violetcrush

udo said:

violetcrush said:

Nope. Read my post again. I stated "facts OR consensus". I did not equate the two terms. However, I do measure "general consensus" against one or two opinions, which is exactly what's happening on this thread biggrin So, BYEEEEEEE

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Facts can be different from a consensus.

Unless there is a consens about facts.

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So how much slow is the live show?

What songs are missing?

What is the practicality of the physical design?

Bolded: ALL YOUR OPINION AND NOT FACTS OF ANY KIND, nor are they the general consensus of the posters in this thread. In fact, I've also read rave reviews written by music journalists, and those who have much more clout than imagine you do - unless you actually write for a credible media source, which I highly doubt.

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Here's a GREAT idea - instead of continuing to post so you can have the last word on this thread, how's about you actually come up with legitimate and functional design plans for the next big release. I'm sure you can locate a valid email address with which to send your design plans. Or, how about submitting your resume with qualifications and references to the Prince Estate as a possible hire?? Who knows, maybe they'll bring you on as part of the staff for the next one biggrin wall

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Reply #755 posted 10/04/20 11:39am

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why was the thread about that PIANO DEMO CALLED GRAFFITI BRIDGE SOMETHING removed

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Reply #756 posted 10/04/20 12:17pm

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lustmealways said:

why was the thread about that PIANO DEMO CALLED GRAFFITI BRIDGE SOMETHING removed

Depends what route the conversation had gone down.

From the sticky about threads being removed :

** When Threads Are HIDDEN -Please READ **

Addressing the PMM community specifically

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The question is constantly asked (and constantly answered), why was this or that thread REMOVED/DELETED; and people usually go into a questioning Mod/Org intentions or judging moderators/moderation. We hide threads when we receive a request of moderation by people taking part in the discussion(or sometimes people just watching the discussion)

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We hide it so we get a chance to look into the issues, if it is not something that is really obvious and can be handled in 1 snip. Sometimes we need to/ask another mod to look at the issue for a 2nd opinion. We hide threads to stop people from possible or continually commenting on the post in question. Which of course, if we have to Snip things, that means we have to make notes, as well as locate and snip all post that replied to the offending post.
If it is a totally inappropriate thread, it will not be reinstated.

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So I hope this solves the mystery of 'why was this or that thread removed'

This applies everywhere on the Org

PLEASE: We don't need 10-30 people orgnoting us to find out why it was hidden. This is volunteer work.

RIP sad
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Reply #757 posted 10/04/20 4:33pm

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I feel like the more I listen, the more audio issues I hear. Just now I noticed at the beginning of Love And Sex you can hear the sound of tape speeding up. And what is that at the beginning of All My Dreams. I didn’t notice any sound issues with the 1999 SDE
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #758 posted 10/05/20 12:58am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I feel like the more I listen, the more audio issues I hear. Just now I noticed at the beginning of Love And Sex you can hear the sound of tape speeding up. And what is that at the beginning of All My Dreams. I didn’t notice any sound issues with the 1999 SDE

Some glitches here and there don't bother me. I hear them, too. They're to be expected. Given how Prince took care of his vault, I'm not surprised. There's the problem of the tape themselves as well: the quality of more recent tapes was sometimes inferior.

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What's the problem at the beginning of All My Dreams?

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Reply #759 posted 10/05/20 12:57pm

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olb99 said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


I feel like the more I listen, the more audio issues I hear. Just now I noticed at the beginning of Love And Sex you can hear the sound of tape speeding up. And what is that at the beginning of All My Dreams. I didn’t notice any sound issues with the 1999 SDE

Some glitches here and there don't bother me. I hear them, too. They're to be expected. Given how Prince took care of his vault, I'm not surprised. There's the problem of the tape themselves as well: the quality of more recent tapes was sometimes inferior.


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What's the problem at the beginning of All My Dreams?



I just think when so much thought (and money) has been put into a project, and then there are sloppy, easily fixed audio issues, you’re kind of missing the point of a remaster set. Another example is the tape squeal at the beginning of Power Fantastic. I mean, why?? It doesn’t bother me enough to go and make my own edit or anything but it just comes off as really amateurish, when it should be as perfect as possible. Not that I don’t love and appreciate the set, as we are lucky to be getting it. But just take a sec and make sure things are kosher before it goes to print. Hell, I’d do that for free! smile

WRT All My Dreams, I played the bootleg version and the sound I hear is more buried in the mix, so I guess it was intentional. That sounds like a tape spool in need of oil or something.
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Reply #760 posted 10/05/20 1:05pm

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

olb99 said:

Some glitches here and there don't bother me. I hear them, too. They're to be expected. Given how Prince took care of his vault, I'm not surprised. There's the problem of the tape themselves as well: the quality of more recent tapes was sometimes inferior.

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What's the problem at the beginning of All My Dreams?

I just think when so much thought (and money) has been put into a project, and then there are sloppy, easily fixed audio issues, you’re kind of missing the point of a remaster set. Another example is the tape squeal at the beginning of Power Fantastic. I mean, why?? It doesn’t bother me enough to go and make my own edit or anything but it just comes off as really amateurish, when it should be as perfect as possible. Not that I don’t love and appreciate the set, as we are lucky to be getting it. But just take a sec and make sure things are kosher before it goes to print. Hell, I’d do that for free! smile WRT All My Dreams, I played the bootleg version and the sound I hear is more buried in the mix, so I guess it was intentional. That sounds like a tape spool in need of oil or something.

Ignore the glitches..........njoy the set.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #761 posted 10/06/20 12:53am

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Got my box now. Was surprised by how large the thing is. In all honesty, I would rather they have knocked £50 off the price and done away with the elaborate coffee table book. It's nice to flick through and definitely a beautiful item for collectors, but at this stage in my life, it's really just about the music. I wanted to own a physical copy not for the book, but for the actual CDs, as I own every Prince album to date and the completist in me would've felt annoyed asf not owning this.

As for the musical content, well, it truly is a revelation. The album remaster itself is a massive improvement (the mastering on the original CD was horrendous and perhaps the worst of all his albums, so unlike many remasters, this one was badly needed.

I haven't watched the DVD yet or listened to the live show. For me, this is all about the unreleased shit.

The main highlights for me are:

* Forever In My Life early vocal run-through version - Perhaps the greatest surprise and treasure on the whole set. Just as essential as the finished SOTT version imo, I think in time this may become the definitive version of the song for me.

* Adonis & Bathsheba - I previously had a low quality boot of this track and it didn't do much for me. The version on here is superb and one of the main "why the f was this not on a main album" moments on the set. Epic track.

* Love & Sex - This is strong enough to have made a great single. Would've made a lot more sense as a single than If I Was Your Girlfriend did. Incredibly infectious chorus.

* Eggplant - Not sure if this was bootlegged before, but I hadn't heard it before now. Fantastic track, sounds very The Family/Parade era to me.

* Emotional Pump - Great track. Very funky. Would've gladly had this on SOTT in place of It.

* It Be's Like That Sometimes - Nice chilled groove. Would've been a solid album track. Definitely hear the similarities others have noted to Elephants & Flowers, but I think I prefer this. Even though it's older, it sounds fresher and less dated that the latter mentioned track.

* Wally - Beautiful track that gets better with every listen.

* Cosmic Day - Again, I had a rough version of this on a bootleg, but it wasn't good enough quality to enjoy. This is another track which I would've liked to have seen on the main album. Just so Prince.


[Edited 10/6/20 1:09am]

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Reply #762 posted 10/06/20 7:14am

namepeace

Graycap23 said:

Ignore the glitches..........njoy the set.


Indeed.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #763 posted 10/06/20 9:11am

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namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Ignore the glitches..........njoy the set.


Indeed.


Yep. If it helps, imagine you've snuck into the vault yourself and you're pulling these songs off the shelf and listening to them as-is. music

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
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Reply #764 posted 10/06/20 4:34pm

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Graycap23 said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

olb99 said: I just think when so much thought (and money) has been put into a project, and then there are sloppy, easily fixed audio issues, you’re kind of missing the point of a remaster set. Another example is the tape squeal at the beginning of Power Fantastic. I mean, why?? It doesn’t bother me enough to go and make my own edit or anything but it just comes off as really amateurish, when it should be as perfect as possible. Not that I don’t love and appreciate the set, as we are lucky to be getting it. But just take a sec and make sure things are kosher before it goes to print. Hell, I’d do that for free! smile WRT All My Dreams, I played the bootleg version and the sound I hear is more buried in the mix, so I guess it was intentional. That sounds like a tape spool in need of oil or something.

Ignore the glitches..........njoy the set.

Can't you acknowledge the glitches and enjoy the set?

Ignoring them flat outright gives the message Prince fans don't give a fuck what the estate serves them, they'll call it ice cream regardless... Why should they even bother to put any effort into anything if that's the reaction?

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Reply #765 posted 10/06/20 4:35pm

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eyewishuheaven said:

namepeace said:


Indeed.


Yep. If it helps, imagine you've snuck into the vault yourself and you're pulling these songs off the shelf and listening to them as-is. music

That makes it even more irritating, because in that fantasy Being Michael Howe RPG scenario they'd definitely get fixed shortly after pulling off said shelf...

[Edited 10/6/20 16:36pm]

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Reply #766 posted 10/06/20 7:37pm

Graycap23

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WhisperingDandelions said:

Graycap23 said:

Ignore the glitches..........njoy the set.

Can't you acknowledge the glitches and enjoy the set?

Ignoring them flat outright gives the message Prince fans don't give a fuck what the estate serves them, they'll call it ice cream regardless... Why should they even bother to put any effort into anything if that's the reaction?

I'll assume the pros involved did the best with what they had 2 work with.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #767 posted 10/06/20 8:00pm

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Graycap23 said:

I'll assume the pros involved did the best with what they had 2 work with.

you would be assuming incorrectly

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Reply #768 posted 10/06/20 8:27pm

Phase3

Am I the only one that hears a bit of "White Mansion" in "It be's like that sometimes"?
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Reply #769 posted 10/07/20 12:02am

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lustmealways said:

Graycap23 said:

I'll assume the pros involved did the best with what they had 2 work with.

you would be assuming incorrectly

Even if what u say is true, it doesn't change the set. It is what it is.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #770 posted 10/07/20 12:16am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Another example is the tape squeal at the beginning of Power Fantastic. I mean, why??

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I must admit I'm not bothered at all with this tape squeal sound. It means: there you have it; the whole recording. The raw recording. The studio chatter. Everything. It adds to my enjoyment of the experience. Same with the acoustic/demo version of "I Feel For You".

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Also it doesn't prevent me from enjoying one of his best songs ever, as is the case with the tape warble on "Wally". It doesn't interfere with the music itself.

[Edited 10/7/20 0:19am]

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Reply #771 posted 10/07/20 12:36am

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Phase3 said:

Am I the only one that hears a bit of "White Mansion" in "It be's like that sometimes"? [Edited 10/6/20 20:28pm]


Yes.

lol

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Reply #772 posted 10/07/20 4:54am

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It's official , SOTT re-enters Billboard 200 charts this week at #20

music I'm proud i helped.

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Reply #773 posted 10/07/20 8:47am

namepeace

olb99 said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I feel like the more I listen, the more audio issues I hear. Just now I noticed at the beginning of Love And Sex you can hear the sound of tape speeding up. And what is that at the beginning of All My Dreams. I didn’t notice any sound issues with the 1999 SDE

Some glitches here and there don't bother me. I hear them, too. They're to be expected. Given how Prince took care of his vault, I'm not surprised. There's the problem of the tape themselves as well: the quality of more recent tapes was sometimes inferior.

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yeahthat

Overall, especially the vinyl, the set sounds terrific.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #774 posted 10/07/20 8:54am

namepeace

WhisperingDandelions said:

Can't you acknowledge the glitches and enjoy the set?

Ignoring them flat outright gives the message Prince fans don't give a fuck what the estate serves them, they'll call it ice cream regardless... Why should they even bother to put any effort into anything if that's the reaction?


I understand your point from this perspective -- the fanbase pays a lot of money on the SDEs and legitimate critiques can be good feedback for the Estate next time. Especially if the issues are fixable.

But as olb99 pointed out, the source material is decades old and fell into disrepair. Maybe Prince never intended them for proper release in the first place. This was not an easy task.

But at the same time, if these releases will be available to stream on subscription platforms like Spotify, then fans that don't want to pay hundreds of bucks on future releases don't have to, if the glitches unnerve them so.

And overall, the sets sound terrific.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #775 posted 10/07/20 3:03pm

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That's so great that SOTT makes the charts again!!!! biggrin

TKO said:

It's official , SOTT re-enters Billboard 200 charts this week at #20

music I'm proud i helped.

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Reply #776 posted 10/07/20 3:27pm

lottusflower

New “sign o the times” version, picture disc for RSD 2020:

https://www.amazon.es/gp/...28dca95e0b
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Reply #777 posted 10/07/20 5:16pm

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I forgot to mention i almost cried when i received my copy and the cardboard box had the SIGN logo. I didn't knew Amazon had those. eek

The boxset is beautiful and the content is amazing.

No complains.

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Reply #778 posted 10/07/20 8:16pm

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TKO said:

I forgot to mention i almost cried when i received my copy and the cardboard box had the SIGN logo. I didn't knew Amazon had those. eek


Some people who ordered though Amazon didnt get the sign cardboard box.
It reminds me of a pizza box lol

Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
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Reply #779 posted 10/07/20 9:00pm

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TKO said:

No complains.

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Did you even listen?

Did you even read?

Did you even think?

Because around here there are numerous flaws, errors and the like being discussed.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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