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Reply #90 posted 09/30/20 7:05am

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Wolfie87 said:

Only 4 1/2 stars in Rolling Stone. For the entire set. Eeeeehhhh??? confused What more can you ask for?

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Reply #91 posted 10/01/20 12:40am

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sulls said:

TheEnglishGent said:

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Wasn't it Rolling Stone mag that gave a bad or mediocre review on the origianl release in 1987 ?

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RSD21 might have a surprise for us all, who knows.

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Reply #92 posted 10/01/20 12:52am

SoulAlive

Here is the original 1987 album review from Rolling Stone,written by Kurt Roder....

Sign o'the Times

Artist: Prince
Title: Sign 'O' The Times
Year: 1987

BY KURT LODER

Prince is beginning to be a puzzlement. Sign o' the Times, his ninth album in what is now a nine-year recording career, is of course largely dazzling; sixteen tracks spread across two LPs -- half of them brilliant, half merely better than ninety percent of the stuff you hear on the radio. There really is no one else like him (although a lot of people try to be), and he remains that rare pop artist to whom you can attach the word genius --or artist, for that matter -- without gagging.

But three years ago, with his album Purple Rain perched atop the charts and his movie of the same name racking up boffo box office, Prince appeared to be poised on the verge of some Great Statement -- some grand new synthesis of black and white musical forms, of sexual redefinition and spiritual devotion. He seemed, in short, to be about to put it all together. But in the wake of Purple Rain, he has drifted. Maybe the movie, with its quasi-autobiographical themes and its implicit challenge to his powers as a budding auteur, focused his creative energies in a one-time-only way. Maybe the Prince-mania that attended its release frightened him. (Or disgusted him. Or bored him.) Whatever the case, with the subsequent Around the World in a Day and Parade, he has been backing away from that peak ever since. Now comes Sign o' the Times, and the Great Statement remains unmade.

This is only a relative letdown, of course. Coming from almost any other artist, Sign would be cause for celebration (not to mention mad partying). The best music here is tough and inventive and exuberantly experimental. Dispensing with his former band, the Revolution (it appears on only one cut, the funk workout "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night," recorded live in Paris last year), Prince scales back its creative attack to what is essentially a one-man-band operation, with overdubbed assists from two estimable horn men, sax player Eric Leeds and trumpeter Atlanta Bliss. (There are also key bits by percussionist-singer Sheila E., ex-Revolutionaries Lisa Coleman and Wendy Melvoin, Wendy's sister Susannah Melvoin, pop singer Sheena Easton and a new vocalist named Camille.)

The resulting minimalism, especially after some of the string-laden pretensions of Parade, is wonderfully bracing. "Sign o' the Times," the album's first single, sets up an immediate tension between a rubbery bass riff and a ponging percussion figure, blossoming rather darkly with the addition of subtly unsettling keyboard chords as Prince decries the contemporary prevalence of drugs and war and suggests, as an antidote, "Let's fall in love, get married, have a baby/We'll call him Nate (If it's a boy)." This is pure Prince -- the formidable rhythmic power, the sociosexual transcendentalism, the loopy humor -- and it's perfect, a piece of real aural art.

Elsewhere, and with equally impressive results, Prince reasserts his mastery of both black funk idioms and white psychedelic and hard-rock styles. "I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man," with its Who-like crunch chords and its irresistible keyboard riff, is the most irresistible guitar rocker Prince has done since 1980's "When You Were Mine." And "It," with its Pink Floyd-style guitar tones, and the delightful "Hot Thing," which features an odd little Oriental keyboard hook, re-confirm Prince's genuine affection for Sixties-style trippery. The stylized funk tracks are even more revealing -- they seem in some ways to be almost homages. The sexy "Slow Love," with its jaunty keyboards and neck-nuzzling delivery, vividly recalls Sly Stone at the peak of his powers. And the uproarious "Housequake" is a virtual survey of thirty years of black performance styles: the title apparently refers to house music, which erupted out of Chicago last year; the singer's boastful persona is borrowed from rap; the wicked beat and machine-gun horn lines are pure James Brown; and the goofy exhortation that brackets the track -- "Shut up, already! Damn!" -- is lifted from Little Richard. As might be expected, the whole things smokes ferociously.

The balance of the album finds Prince being his unpredictable self -- which is, if nothing else, never dull. "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" takes it title not from the celebrated quiptress of the Algonquin Round Table but rather from a fictive blond waitress who has "a quicker wit" than Prince and (like him) loves Joni Mitchell. The hilarious and sexually arresting "If I Was Your Girlfriend" is a funk-thunk number with weird crowdlike backup vocals; it finds Prince wheedling his beloved with the disconcerting question "Would you run to me if somebody hurt you/Even if that somebody was me?" Then there's "The Cross," one of his most straightforward religious songs, which starts off as a sort of folk-rock ballad, then erupts into overpowering power-guitar chords and concludes in a shimmering puddle of jazzlike vocal harmony straight out of the Four Freshman song book.

In fact, Prince's virtuoso eclecticism has seldom been so abundantly displayed, from the Hendrixian funk that crops up on "I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man" and the Wizard of Oz drones that form the unlikely center of "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night" to the razory instrumental run in "Play in the Sunshine" and the eerie keyboard wheezlings in "Housequake."

That all sounds pretty interesting. In fact, it is. "Sign o' the Times," "Housequake," "Hot Thing" and "I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man" will be new Prince classics. "It," "Slow Love," "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night" and the almost-heavy-metal "U Got the Look" are almost as good. There would be one great LP hidden in the sprawl of this double album if the songs exerted any uniform effect. Unfortunately, they don't. That's okay; one takes great songs wherever one can find them. But simple virtuosity -- mere brilliance, one might almost say -- seems too easy an exercise, at this point, for someone of Prince's extraordinary gifts. And he is beginning to repeat himself: "Play in the Sunshine" is the sort of soulful raveup he's tossed off several times before, and the little bass idea that so memorably animates the title tune crops up again in both "Hot Thing" and the mildly intriguing "Forever in My Life." This way lies decadence.

Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?

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Reply #93 posted 10/01/20 1:28am

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Oh waw, was searching for it. Thank you for that.

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That review was not all that bad in fact.

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OK, he said :

''There would be one great LP hidden in the sprawl of this double album if the songs exerted any uniform effect. Unfortunately, they don't.''

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And he says Prince starts to repeat himself...

But besides all that he still celebrated Prince.

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Reply #94 posted 10/01/20 3:09am

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Vannormal said:

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Oh waw, was searching for it. Thank you for that.

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That review was not all that bad in fact.

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OK, he said :

''There would be one great LP hidden in the sprawl of this double album if the songs exerted any uniform effect. Unfortunately, they don't.''

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And he says Prince starts to repeat himself...

But besides all that he still celebrated Prince.

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yeah,it was a great review.

It's funny that,in listing the album's personnel, Kurt referred to "a new vocalist named Camille" lol

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Reply #95 posted 10/01/20 8:28am

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I always loved this quote from the Rolling Stone review. I remembered reading it as a teen and it stuck in my head. When I toured Paisley Park I noticed that it was on the wall of the Sign O' the Times room:

sixteen tracks spread across two LPs -- half of them brilliant, half merely better than ninety percent of the stuff you hear on the radio



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Reply #96 posted 10/01/20 8:36am

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The new remaster on LP sounds great, but, I have to say, it doesn't beat the original vinyl pressing of the album.

Kicks the pants off the old CD edition, I imagine, but then I haven't heard that in probably 15 years.

But I pulled out my original UK vinyl of Sign - I'm lucky to have one in Near Mint condition - and gave it a fresh needledrop rip... while listening, I compared to the new remaster, and I think I prefer the original, just by a shade. The new remaster is very good indeed, but there's just a touch more space and depth on the original, while retaining the necessary kick that some of the tracks need.

So it's an excellent remaster, just not as revelatory if you have the original vinyl. But if you've only heard Sign on CD or streaming the last few years, then this is a big deal.

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Reply #97 posted 10/01/20 12:11pm

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Listening once more to the remastered original album, it is the gift that keeps on giving. Never really liked Play In The Sunshine much, but this version sounds 'slamming' to me! music

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Reply #98 posted 10/01/20 1:14pm

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Prog5000 said:


JoeyCococo said:
What a ridiculous comment considering how much praise has been heaped on the vault tracks. Ridiculous...

Just my opinion with a little pinch of trolling.

Not all opinions are worth being shared online. Just sayin' wink


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Reply #99 posted 10/01/20 1:40pm

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Rimshottbob said:

The new remaster on LP sounds great, but, I have to say, it doesn't beat the original vinyl pressing of the album.

Kicks the pants off the old CD edition, I imagine, but then I haven't heard that in probably 15 years.

But I pulled out my original UK vinyl of Sign - I'm lucky to have one in Near Mint condition - and gave it a fresh needledrop rip... while listening, I compared to the new remaster, and I think I prefer the original, just by a shade. The new remaster is very good indeed, but there's just a touch more space and depth on the original, while retaining the necessary kick that some of the tracks need.

So it's an excellent remaster, just not as revelatory if you have the original vinyl. But if you've only heard Sign on CD or streaming the last few years, then this is a big deal.

Interesting..I also had a vinyl rip and i was intially surprised that the new remaster didn't smoke that rip. I totally obliterated the old CD release, as you say. However, upon further close listening...this remaster is just the best version. The vinyl rip does not have the bass response that the new remaster does...vinyl vs CD.

I'm still blown away by the new remaster...not just the better low frequency but the hights...so much new details brougth forth.

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Reply #100 posted 10/01/20 1:43pm

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CAL3 said:

databank said:

Not all opinions are worth being shared online. Just sayin' wink

. Damn, Data, we owe you real gratitude for setting the record straight as to whose opinions count and whose don’t. .

I'll let everyone be the judge of that wink

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Reply #101 posted 10/01/20 1:46pm

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databank said:

I'll let everyone be the judge of that wink

mr. databank i have something very important to do but i'm wasting my time online. do you have any advice about avoiding this cycle of laziness? you seem to get a lot done, a busy man.

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Reply #102 posted 10/01/20 2:09pm

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lustmealways said:

databank said:

I'll let everyone be the judge of that wink

mr. databank i have something very important to do but i'm wasting my time online. do you have any advice about avoiding this cycle of laziness? you seem to get a lot done, a busy man.

I work from home, which is why I waste so much of my own time online. Easy to get distracted when u don't got a boss behind your back lol

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Reply #103 posted 10/03/20 11:04am

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Rimshottbob said:

The new remaster on LP sounds great, but, I have to say, it doesn't beat the original vinyl pressing of the album.



Kicks the pants off the old CD edition, I imagine, but then I haven't heard that in probably 15 years.



But I pulled out my original UK vinyl of Sign - I'm lucky to have one in Near Mint condition - and gave it a fresh needledrop rip... while listening, I compared to the new remaster, and I think I prefer the original, just by a shade. The new remaster is very good indeed, but there's just a touch more space and depth on the original, while retaining the necessary kick that some of the tracks need.



So it's an excellent remaster, just not as revelatory if you have the original vinyl. But if you've only heard Sign on CD or streaming the last few years, then this is a big deal.



Yep. Same here
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Reply #104 posted 10/04/20 9:20am

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Finally getting to the remaster after a week and a half absorbing the vault stuff. I'm pleasantly surprised. Hated Purple Rain remaster (will NEVER listen to it again), thought the 1999 remaster was all right but not better than the original master with some tweaks to the levels. This though, compared to my own tweaks of the original CD, is clearly superior. Like someone else said, I don't think it's better than the original vinyl, but then I haven't heard the new vinyl yet. CD to CD though? This is a winner!

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Reply #105 posted 10/04/20 12:58pm

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wasitgood4u said:

Rimshottbob said:

The new remaster on LP sounds great, but, I have to say, it doesn't beat the original vinyl pressing of the album.

Kicks the pants off the old CD edition, I imagine, but then I haven't heard that in probably 15 years.

But I pulled out my original UK vinyl of Sign - I'm lucky to have one in Near Mint condition - and gave it a fresh needledrop rip... while listening, I compared to the new remaster, and I think I prefer the original, just by a shade. The new remaster is very good indeed, but there's just a touch more space and depth on the original, while retaining the necessary kick that some of the tracks need.

So it's an excellent remaster, just not as revelatory if you have the original vinyl. But if you've only heard Sign on CD or streaming the last few years, then this is a big deal.

Yep. Same here

Just pulled out my OG US vinyl and tried to do a comparison on the title track. The OG seems to be a tad louder and, though I can't put my finger on why, I also slightly prefer the OG in sound, though it's really close. Anyone with the remastered vinyl can feel pleased.

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Reply #106 posted 10/20/20 4:34pm

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Amazing remaster, as usual Bernie doing fantastic work. "It's Gonna be a Beautiful Night" has received a noticeable upgrade; huge, thumping low-end which was always missing from the original master in my opinion. biggrin

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