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Thread started 10/04/20 8:07am

JoeyCococo

Errors on the Set

I have noticed a few errors on the set.

1. Like many, I agree the live set is slow. At least parts of it...Purple Rain for sure

2. interesting, where Sheila starts the best on Its Gonna Be A Beautiful Night and Prince makes her stop as he'd only asked for horns ..

3. rebirth of the flesh- at the end..the volume suddenly rises very noticeably.... not clear why.

4. More a comment on how revealing the remaster is but on If I Was Your Girlfriend when he sings 'not that your helpless' you can hear more clearly a clink on the left speaker. A friend suggested it could have been him bumping the mic....

6. I Could Never- his solo on this (DVD) seems to show him lose momentum on the solo...minor and he quickly makes up for it.


What else?
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Reply #1 posted 10/04/20 8:13am

lustmealways

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there are string overdubs from 1987 on a version of a track which would've been scrapped in favor of another version by september 1986

the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996

the we can funk suite isn't here

hard panning makes my ears weep

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Reply #2 posted 10/04/20 8:46am

TheEnglishGent

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lustmealways said:



the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996


It did came out in 96, just took until 98 for them to fulfil the orders. lol

RIP sad
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Reply #3 posted 10/04/20 10:09am

bonnie184

JoeyCococo said:

3. rebirth of the flesh- at the end..the volume suddenly rises very noticeably.... not clear why.

The liner notes explains why.

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Reply #4 posted 10/04/20 10:37am

TrivialPursuit

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bonnie184 said:

JoeyCococo said:

3. rebirth of the flesh- at the end..the volume suddenly rises very noticeably.... not clear why.

The liner notes explains why.


And it's been discussed on here. But yes, read the liner notes.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #5 posted 10/04/20 11:18am

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lustmealways said:

there are string overdubs from 1987 on a version of a track which would've been scrapped in favor of another version by september 1986

the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996

the we can funk suite isn't here

hard panning makes my ears weep



The Crystal Ball set was released in 1998
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
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Reply #6 posted 10/04/20 11:20am

lustmealways

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FragileUndertow said:

lustmealways said:

there are string overdubs from 1987 on a version of a track which would've been scrapped in favor of another version by september 1986

the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996

the we can funk suite isn't here

hard panning makes my ears weep

The Crystal Ball set was released in 1998

tell it to the book

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Reply #7 posted 10/04/20 11:24am

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lustmealways said:



FragileUndertow said:


lustmealways said:

there are string overdubs from 1987 on a version of a track which would've been scrapped in favor of another version by september 1986

the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996

the we can funk suite isn't here

hard panning makes my ears weep



The Crystal Ball set was released in 1998

tell it to the book


lol
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
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Reply #8 posted 10/04/20 12:42pm

LoveGalore

lustmealways said:



FragileUndertow said:


lustmealways said:

there are string overdubs from 1987 on a version of a track which would've been scrapped in favor of another version by september 1986

the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996

the we can funk suite isn't here

hard panning makes my ears weep



The Crystal Ball set was released in 1998

tell it to the book



I dunno if you knew this, but books don't write themselves.
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Reply #9 posted 10/04/20 1:58pm

databank

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TheEnglishGent said:



lustmealways said:




the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996





It did came out in 96, just took until 98 for them to fulfil the orders. lol


lol
In fact it was compiled/mixed mid 97.
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Reply #10 posted 10/04/20 2:38pm

ForceofNature

JoeyCococo said:

I have noticed a few errors on the set. 1. Like many, I agree the live set is slow. At least parts of it...Purple Rain for sure 2. interesting, where Sheila starts the best on Its Gonna Be A Beautiful Night and Prince makes her stop as he'd only asked for horns .. 3. rebirth of the flesh- at the end..the volume suddenly rises very noticeably.... not clear why. 4. More a comment on how revealing the remaster is but on If I Was Your Girlfriend when he sings 'not that your helpless' you can hear more clearly a clink on the left speaker. A friend suggested it could have been him bumping the mic.... 6. I Could Never- his solo on this (DVD) seems to show him lose momentum on the solo...minor and he quickly makes up for it. What else?

Are we talking about legitimate errors in tape transferring/mastering or performance mistakes from Prince while playing/recording in this case? The first one is the only real "error" in the set from a technical POV that can be confirmed in that sense

[Edited 10/4/20 14:56pm]

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Reply #11 posted 10/04/20 4:36pm

SquirrelMeat

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bonnie184 said:

JoeyCococo said:

3. rebirth of the flesh- at the end..the volume suddenly rises very noticeably.... not clear why.

The liner notes explains why.



Nothing is mentioned in the main track right up. Is it somewhere else in the set?

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Reply #12 posted 10/04/20 5:03pm

JoeyCococo

Ordered the set in July... won't get until end of month.

Can someone tell me what it says?
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Reply #13 posted 10/04/20 5:39pm

WhisperingDand
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JoeyCococo said:

Ordered the set in July... won't get until end of month. Can someone tell me what it says?

It says somehow the estate underestimated preorders, let alone basic orders.

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Reply #14 posted 10/04/20 6:15pm

lurker316

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TrivialPursuit said:

bonnie184 said:

The liner notes explains why.


And it's been discussed on here. But yes, read the liner notes.



I'm looking at the liner notes right now. They say this is a longer version with additional lyrics and the original ending. But they don't say anything about the volume rising suddenly at the end. So I don't think the liner notes answer JoeyCococo's specific question.


[Edited 10/4/20 18:16pm]

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Reply #15 posted 10/04/20 9:19pm

udo

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databank said:

TheEnglishGent said:


It did came out in 96, just took until 98 for them to fulfil the orders. lol

lol In fact it was compiled/mixed mid 97.

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And in 1998 during the summer he asked:

'Do you have your Crystal Ball?'

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Princevault says 29 january 1998.

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This set has the Crytal Ball (song) version that is missing from SOTT SDE.

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[Edited 10/4/20 21:21pm]

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #16 posted 10/04/20 10:14pm

emesem

I'm not buying that the live show is "slow". I've matched many of the notes on my tuned guitar but happy to see if someone can prove otherwise. Sounds fine to me. I'm not sure how this would even happen unless its some kind of 50Hz vs 60hz thing but I think that would go the other way.

How is Wally's warble not on the list?

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Reply #17 posted 10/04/20 11:40pm

TrivialPursuit

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lurker316 said:


I'm looking at the liner notes right now. They say this is a longer version with additional lyrics and the original ending. But they don't say anything about the volume rising suddenly at the end. So I don't think the liner notes answer JoeyCococo's specific question.


It's two versions tacked together. You can hear the drums change. And there is a slight difference in volume, but it's only in the last :15 seconds or so.

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Reply #18 posted 10/05/20 1:56am

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Visions - The first note is cut off at the beginning.
(mentioned by databank https://prince.org/msg/7/464438)

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Reply #19 posted 10/05/20 4:30am

databank

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TakEpri said:

Visions - The first note is cut off at the beginning.
(mentioned by databank https://prince.org/msg/7/464438)

I still have a hard tiome imagining this is an accident. Could anyone ask Lisa? Does she interact with fans on her FB or Twitter?

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Reply #20 posted 10/05/20 5:06am

LoveGalore

databank said:



TakEpri said:


Visions - The first note is cut off at the beginning.
(mentioned by databank https://prince.org/msg/7/464438)



I still have a hard tiome imagining this is an accident. Could anyone ask Lisa? Does she interact with fans on her FB or Twitter?



It isn't consistent so it's definitely a mistake on some of the rips? My digital files from WB have an intact start.
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Reply #21 posted 10/05/20 5:36am

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TrivialPursuit said:

lurker316 said:


I'm looking at the liner notes right now. They say this is a longer version with additional lyrics and the original ending. But they don't say anything about the volume rising suddenly at the end. So I don't think the liner notes answer JoeyCococo's specific question.


It's two versions tacked together. You can hear the drums change. And there is a slight difference in volume, but it's only in the last :15 seconds or so.


Gotcha. That makes sense. The responses to JoeyCocco's question gave the impression that the liner notes explicity address the volume change, but it appears they implicitly explain it.


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Reply #22 posted 10/05/20 5:45am

Musze

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TheEnglishGent said:

lustmealways said:



the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996


It did came out in 96, just took until 98 for them to fulfil the orders. lol

FACTS biggrin

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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Reply #23 posted 10/05/20 5:52am

LoveGalore

Musze said:



TheEnglishGent said:




lustmealways said:




the book says crystal ball 98' came out in 1996





It did came out in 96, just took until 98 for them to fulfil the orders. lol




FACTS biggrin



But that's not facts at all. It wasn't even mentioned until the emancipation booklet - late 1996.
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Reply #24 posted 10/05/20 6:02am

lurker316

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databank said:

TakEpri said:

Visions - The first note is cut off at the beginning.
(mentioned by databank https://prince.org/msg/7/464438)

I still have a hard tiome imagining this is an accident. Could anyone ask Lisa? Does she interact with fans on her FB or Twitter?



According to Princevault: "In 1990, Wendy & Lisa included this track (now renamed Minneapolis #1) as the first track on a limited edition bonus CD included with their third album Eroica [...]"

If anyone has that CD they can listen to see if the introductory note is included. That will give us an idea of whether that note was intended to be there or something Lisa thought should be scrubbed.

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Reply #25 posted 10/05/20 6:05am

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LoveGalore said:

Musze said:

FACTS biggrin

But that's not facts at all. It wasn't even mentioned until the emancipation booklet - late 1996.


It was a joke, referring to how long it took for people to receive their orders. wink

RIP sad
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Reply #26 posted 10/05/20 6:11am

JoeyCococo

lurker316 said:

TrivialPursuit said:


And it's been discussed on here. But yes, read the liner notes.



I'm looking at the liner notes right now. They say this is a longer version with additional lyrics and the original ending. But they don't say anything about the volume rising suddenly at the end. So I don't think the liner notes answer JoeyCococo's specific question.


[Edited 10/4/20 18:16pm]

Thanks for the response. When I read some say that it's explained in the liner, it didn't make sense. This was an error...an obvious one.

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Reply #27 posted 10/05/20 6:23am

cb70

The book states "Train" was recorded heavily with the D50 but that synth didn't come out until a year later. Think he meant to say the DX7 which is where the Train sounds come from.

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Reply #28 posted 10/05/20 8:49am

databank

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LoveGalore said:

databank said:



TakEpri said:


Visions - The first note is cut off at the beginning.
(mentioned by databank https://prince.org/msg/7/464438)



I still have a hard tiome imagining this is an accident. Could anyone ask Lisa? Does she interact with fans on her FB or Twitter?



It isn't consistent so it's definitely a mistake on some of the rips? My digital files from WB have an intact start.

You have promo files that come directly from WB?
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Reply #29 posted 10/05/20 9:11am

LoveGalore

databank said:

LoveGalore said:



It isn't consistent so it's definitely a mistake on some of the rips? My digital files from WB have an intact start.

You have promo files that come directly from WB?


I have the digital files WB provides for everyone who bought the physical sets. Redeem the code and you get MP3s and Visions is not clipped. Visions is also no longer clipped on Spotify.
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