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AnotherJourney
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Walking In Glory

I was just listening to "Walking In Glory" from the new expanded SOTT boxed set and I noticed that there are striking parallels to "2 Nigs United for West Compton." Start around the 3 minute mark and listen through. The lead guitar and vocal are different, but the backing instruments sound like the same track. Did anyone else catch this?

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Reply #1 posted 10/15/20 7:40am

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LoveGalore said:

Yes.

Wow. Good on you. It didn't even make it into the liner notes. They mention that it was recorded on the same day as Bob George -- so it seems like it would be notworthy to point out the other Black Album connection. But if the song was bootlegged previously, maybe others already made the connection. It was new to me!

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Reply #3 posted 10/15/20 8:12am

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LoveGalore said:


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Wow. Good on you. It didn't even make it into the liner notes. They mention that it was recorded on the same day as Bob George -- so it seems like it would be notworthy to point out the other Black Album connection. But if the song was bootlegged previously, maybe others already made the connection. It was new to me!



Naw, it was just discussed often when the set was released. It's hard not to notice it given its a near exact replica of the song. I reckon Prince just did not feel comfortable with the overt religiousity of the song, stripped out the vocals, and made what amounts to a 12" instrumental mix.
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WALKIN' IN GLORY is a ballz out mega-masterpiece...
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LoveGalore said:

AnotherJourneyByTrain said:

Wow. Good on you. It didn't even make it into the liner notes. They mention that it was recorded on the same day as Bob George -- so it seems like it would be notworthy to point out the other Black Album connection. But if the song was bootlegged previously, maybe others already made the connection. It was new to me!

Naw, it was just discussed often when the set was released. It's hard not to notice it given its a near exact replica of the song. I reckon Prince just did not feel comfortable with the overt religiousity of the song, stripped out the vocals, and made what amounts to a 12" instrumental mix.

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You reckon wrong, "2 Nigs utd 4 West Compton" evolved from a jam with Sheila E that was also mixed into parts of the already recorded "Walkin' In Glory"

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Reply #6 posted 10/15/20 8:42am

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AnotherJourneyByTrain said:

I was just listening to "Walking In Glory" from the new expanded SOTT boxed set and I noticed that there are striking parallels to "2 Nigs United for West Compton." Start around the 3 minute mark and listen through. The lead guitar and vocal are different, but the backing instruments sound like the same track. Did anyone else catch this?

I think the music is the same...love it. Gives great hope that a super remaster of the Black Album will be possible...cuz that one sounds as bad as SOTT did before the remaster.

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Reply #7 posted 10/15/20 8:44am

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LoveGalore said:


AnotherJourneyByTrain said:


Wow. Good on you. It didn't even make it into the liner notes. They mention that it was recorded on the same day as Bob George -- so it seems like it would be notworthy to point out the other Black Album connection. But if the song was bootlegged previously, maybe others already made the connection. It was new to me!



Naw, it was just discussed often when the set was released. It's hard not to notice it given its a near exact replica of the song. I reckon Prince just did not feel comfortable with the overt religiousity of the song, stripped out the vocals, and made what amounts to a 12" instrumental mix.

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You reckon wrong, "2 Nigs utd 4 West Compton" evolved from a jam with Sheila E that was also mixed into parts of the already recorded "Walkin' In Glory"



Not much of that has anything to do with what I reckoned.
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Revolution81 said:

LoveGalore said:

AnotherJourneyByTrain said: Naw, it was just discussed often when the set was released. It's hard not to notice it given its a near exact replica of the song. I reckon Prince just did not feel comfortable with the overt religiousity of the song, stripped out the vocals, and made what amounts to a 12" instrumental mix.

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You reckon wrong, "2 Nigs utd 4 West Compton" evolved from a jam with Sheila E that was also mixed into parts of the already recorded "Walkin' In Glory"

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that, but it didn't seem like the whole track was the same to me -- just the latter half. So I guess it makes sense that he spliced it in for elsewhere. In any case, it's a good track that I hadn't heard before.

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JoeyCococo said:

AnotherJourneyByTrain said:

I was just listening to "Walking In Glory" from the new expanded SOTT boxed set and I noticed that there are striking parallels to "2 Nigs United for West Compton." Start around the 3 minute mark and listen through. The lead guitar and vocal are different, but the backing instruments sound like the same track. Did anyone else catch this?

I think the music is the same...love it. Gives great hope that a super remaster of the Black Album will be possible...cuz that one sounds as bad as SOTT did before the remaster.

I woud love a remaster of the Black Album. The official version always seemed a bit anemic to me.

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WALKIN' IN GLORY is a ballz out mega-masterpiece...
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Thanks.

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LoveGalore said:

Revolution81 said:



LoveGalore said:


AnotherJourneyByTrain said:


Wow. Good on you. It didn't even make it into the liner notes. They mention that it was recorded on the same day as Bob George -- so it seems like it would be notworthy to point out the other Black Album connection. But if the song was bootlegged previously, maybe others already made the connection. It was new to me!



Naw, it was just discussed often when the set was released. It's hard not to notice it given its a near exact replica of the song. I reckon Prince just did not feel comfortable with the overt religiousity of the song, stripped out the vocals, and made what amounts to a 12" instrumental mix.

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You reckon wrong, "2 Nigs utd 4 West Compton" evolved from a jam with Sheila E that was also mixed into parts of the already recorded "Walkin' In Glory"



Not much of that has anything to do with what I reckoned.

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It does, you speculated that he made “2 Nigs” out of “walkin’ in Glory” by stripping out the vocals because he did not feel comfortable with it.
The facts I posted point out this could not be the case. Why would he “strip out” the vocals from “Walkin” to create an instrumental when he already had the instrumental recorded, as a separate track? shrug
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LoveGalore said:



Not much of that has anything to do with what I reckoned.

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It does, you speculated that he made “2 Nigs” out of “walkin’ in Glory” by stripping out the vocals because he did not feel comfortable with it.
The facts I posted point out this could not be the case. Why would he “strip out” the vocals from “Walkin” to create an instrumental when he already had the instrumental recorded, as a separate track? shrug


Obviously they weren't both release candidates at the same time and WiG wasn't used at the party. What the minute processes were, which really isn't as evident as you propose, is a minor point. The primary point I was making was about why, which I still believe is because one was overtly religious at a level beyond what he'd done previously and one was instrumental.

Obviously this isn't the first time he did such a thing and was deciding what the artistic statement he was trying to make was. One could probably wager a guess that there wasn't much separation between these songs at their inceptions.
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Reply #14 posted 10/15/20 9:48am

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They talked about this on the official podcast, which is excellent btw.

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MendesCity said:

They talked about this on the official podcast, which is excellent btw.

Oh, cool. Thanks! I missed that and I will have to check it out!

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Reply #16 posted 10/15/20 3:34pm

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Wouldn't it fit nicely right away after A Place In Heaven like a kind of sequel?

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Reply #17 posted 10/15/20 10:04pm

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Walking in Glory is a true masterpiece. I like the idea of him just letting go and saying anything goes. I mean a rocking lead guitar line over a gospel song. Sick man. Prince was a mad genius!

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Reply #18 posted 10/16/20 4:37am

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yes...and they are both masterpieces individually
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slyjackson said:

Wouldn't it fit nicely right away after A Place In Heaven like a kind of sequel?

hmmmm

I love when people links songs like this. Will definately check out the flow in a few minutes

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Walkin In Glory is my favorite new track on this set. It's spectacular!! music

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OldFriends4Sale said:

slyjackson said:

Wouldn't it fit nicely right away after A Place In Heaven like a kind of sequel?

hmmmm

I love when people links songs like this. Will definately check out the flow in a few minutes

Just because of the themes and lyrics, did it flow well?

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Reply #22 posted 10/17/20 11:47pm

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Never understood why Prince recorded 2 Nigs, I understand even less the fact that he'd let anyone else hear it. Same goes for Walking In Glory. It really tries to be energetic and uplifting and ends up being annoying noise.

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I love the SOTT SDE set, and even more the black album, this just doesn't work for me. At all. Glad you all seem to like it though.

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Reply #23 posted 10/18/20 10:36am

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Never understood why Prince recorded 2 Nigs, I understand even less the fact that he'd let anyone else hear it. Same goes for Walking In Glory. It really tries to be energetic and uplifting and ends up being annoying noise.


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I love the SOTT SDE set, and even more the black album, this just doesn't work for me. At all. Glad you all seem to like it though.


U don't dig the bass solo in 2 nigs?

These kind of instrumentals are pretty signature to the Prince sound I'd say.
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mediumdry said:

Never understood why Prince recorded 2 Nigs, I understand even less the fact that he'd let anyone else hear it. Same goes for Walking In Glory. It really tries to be energetic and uplifting and ends up being annoying noise.

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I love the SOTT SDE set, and even more the black album, this just doesn't work for me. At all. Glad you all seem to like it though.

U don't dig the bass solo in 2 nigs? These kind of instrumentals are pretty signature to the Prince sound I'd say.

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Bass solo in 2 Nigs? It's a guitar solo, played on a bass. As much as I love Prince's playing, I've never loved his bass playing. Still, my problem, I suppose. I'm slightly allergic to fusion, which is where it squarely fits in. Luckily, Prince's music is so multifaceted, plenty other stuff for me to enjoy. And plenty people to enjoy the bits that don't work for me. Same reason, I suppose, why I love the Madhouse 8 album (apart from 6), but can't get into later Madhouse or Eric Leeds stuff.

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Reply #25 posted 10/18/20 2:26pm

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Never understood why Prince recorded 2 Nigs, I understand even less the fact that he'd let anyone else hear it. Same goes for Walking In Glory. It really tries to be energetic and uplifting and ends up being annoying noise.

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I love the SOTT SDE set, and even more the black album, this just doesn't work for me. At all. Glad you all seem to like it though.

How is going to get done by hanging or what?

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mediumdry said:

masaba said:

mediumdry said: U don't dig the bass solo in 2 nigs? These kind of instrumentals are pretty signature to the Prince sound I'd say.

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Bass solo in 2 Nigs? It's a guitar solo, played on a bass. As much as I love Prince's playing, I've never loved his bass playing. Still, my problem, I suppose. I'm slightly allergic to fusion, which is where it squarely fits in. Luckily, Prince's music is so multifaceted, plenty other stuff for me to enjoy. And plenty people to enjoy the bits that don't work for me. Same reason, I suppose, why I love the Madhouse 8 album (apart from 6), but can't get into later Madhouse or Eric Leeds stuff.


Huh?

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Bass solo in 2 Nigs? It's a guitar solo, played on a bass.

Huh?

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There's a difference in playing between someone that started on bass or on guitar. Prince was ok with slap style bass (something that he mostly did when he played bass live), for which he seemed to be mostly influenced by Larry Graham (although there's plenty of other, mostly fusion, players he also channels). For finger style playing, he either used a pick or a synth. if you are not a player, it's hard to explain. For instance, Levi Seacer is another example. During the Lovesexy and SOTT shows, he had bass solos, but the way he played, it is basically how a guitar player would play a solo. It just feels wrong to me, coming from the bass.

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Reply #28 posted 10/19/20 8:04am

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mediumdry said:



TwiliteKid said:



mediumdry said:


Bass solo in 2 Nigs? It's a guitar solo, played on a bass.



Huh?



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There's a difference in playing between someone that started on bass or on guitar. Prince was ok with slap style bass (something that he mostly did when he played bass live), for which he seemed to be mostly influenced by Larry Graham (although there's plenty of other, mostly fusion, players he also channels). For finger style playing, he either used a pick or a synth. if you are not a player, it's hard to explain. For instance, Levi Seacer is another example. During the Lovesexy and SOTT shows, he had bass solos, but the way he played, it is basically how a guitar player would play a solo. It just feels wrong to me, coming from the bass.




i know exactly what you mean and i LOVE IT when he does that...ive also seen P use a guitar pick while playing bass solos, and that tone is amazing...doesnt work for everyone, but P had amazing feel using a pick when playing bass
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Funny how a part of a gospel song made it's way into that dark evil LP, isn't it?
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