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Thread started 11/13/20 3:47pm

wilmer

Has having listened to all the bootlegged tracks spoiled the SOT SDE experience?

After checking out the tracklist prior to the release of this great collection of songs. I became aware that there were lots of songs that I'd already heard. So I immediately started counting how many were not in circulation as far as I knew. I was hopeful that among those unheard songs a sizeable number could turn out to be revelations. Well, that hasn't exactly happened for me.

I think that If I hadn't listened to all those leaked tracks, maybe I would have appreciated the set even more. While many of the well-known bootlegs live up to the quality of what ended up on the album, the others, in my opinion sound like throwaways.

What are the chances of being surprised in the future? How much is not out there?
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Reply #1 posted 11/13/20 7:13pm

Phase3

I get what your saying.Times like these I wish I haven't ever discovered prince's unreleased music BUT it is nice to have these tracks the way they were meant to be heard and in great quality.
As far as the future goes,outtakes pretty much stopped circulating around 1998 didn't they? So that means there is A great amount of material we haven't heard.From 1998-2016.outtakes from rainbow children,3121,etc.
I have high Hopes for the rest of the estates releases.
Plus we got a great concert dvd to go with it this time
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Reply #2 posted 11/13/20 10:52pm

CaseysCousin

It didn't spoil it but obviously the set would have a bigger impact on me if for instance I have never heard All My Dreams,Adonis and Bathsheba, Large Room etc.

There was still plenty of stuff that was new to me.

When The Dawn, Walkin in Glory, There is Something I like and getting to hear the full Cosmic Day.

One of my favourite periods is 2006-2009. 3121 and Lotus Flower albums are among my favourites so hopefully there is enough material in the Vault from that time period to make a similar set that would be full of totally unheard material.
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Reply #3 posted 11/13/20 11:14pm

RODSERLING

Everything was new to me besides All My Dreams.
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Reply #4 posted 11/14/20 1:26am

iveivan

I had heard many of the songs before on various boots without knowing which period most were from. On the SDE they are in context and I am able to appreciate them better.

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Reply #5 posted 11/14/20 1:26am

tonyspr

I was describing this to friend recently.

I mentioned the set includes 6 LPs of unreleased tracks but I had heard around 70-80% of them already.

He mentioned that I am like the child who goes rummaging around his parents wardrobe mid November looking for hidden Christmas presents then wondering why there are no surprises come December 25th.

Any "spoiling" is completely down to me but to be honest I still enjoy the fact that all these songs are available in good quality and all in the same set.

I already look forward to the next set knowing that it will be similar situation.

This will continue until the mid 90s and later periods where leaking of outtakes became much rarer.

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Reply #6 posted 11/14/20 1:35am

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I definitely don't regret listening to the tracks on bootleg. I don't think it spoiled listening to it. There was still quite a bit I hadn't heard. Only just now backing away from listening to large chunks of it every day - it's great.
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Reply #7 posted 11/14/20 3:38am

bwaaatch

The opposite!

Having previously experienced more data points in the huge set of recordings, I feel my knowledge is expanded and I have fresh questions, which translates as more fun, and a cheeky sense that It understand these songs better than those who only have this SDE. I might still skip songs that I thought were skip-able 10 years ago, so I guess I’m getting less value from the new set in that sense. But what I have learned in my bootleg journey enriches my enjoyment of most of this SDE, whether the new versions are alternate variants (awesome!) and just sonic improvements (also awesome!).

I may have pre-enjoyed many of the ‘Shit! that’s incredible, why did he not release this!’ moments over the past 30 years or so, but those moments brought me huge happiness, distributed throughout my lifetime. I wouldn’t trade them for one massive orgasm in 2020, and I’m not sure I’d have a full sense of that climax without have enjoyed the foreplay.
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Reply #8 posted 11/14/20 4:08am

wilmer

CaseysCousin said:

It didn't spoil it but obviously the set would have a bigger impact on me if for instance I have never heard All My Dreams,Adonis and Bathsheba, Large Room etc.

There was still plenty of stuff that was new to me.

When The Dawn, Walkin in Glory, There is Something I like and getting to hear the full Cosmic Day.

One of my favourite periods is 2006-2009. 3121 and Lotus Flower albums are among my favourites so hopefully there is enough material in the Vault from that time period to make a similar set that would be full of totally unheard material.


Exactly, my point. I dont know how many times I have spun Big Tall Wall, All My Dreams, Witness, Rebirth and in IALRWNL. And all of the them in pretty good quality. These two you mentioned are the standouts for me. Although I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by DP with horns.

What I do appreciate is being able to hear Wally in great quality and the original album is sounds so much louder and richer.
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Reply #9 posted 11/14/20 12:20pm

muleFunk

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NO!

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Reply #10 posted 11/14/20 2:22pm

Se7en

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I think I heard about 1/2 to 2/3 of what was on SOTT:SDE before, but it was either in horrible quality or snippets.

Hearing all of this in high quality was a very nice surprise.

I still think leaving off Good Love, original Crucial, etc. was a mistake. They should have just included everything on THIS release instead of asking people to rely on previous releases.

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Reply #11 posted 11/14/20 3:18pm

herb4

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Quite the opposite. If anything it's added to it.

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Reply #12 posted 11/14/20 4:33pm

andrewm7

No smile

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Reply #13 posted 11/14/20 4:50pm

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herb4 said:

Quite the opposite. If anything it's added to it.


yes sorta, I can sing along 2 all of them n stuff smile
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Reply #14 posted 11/14/20 7:13pm

LoveGalore

Not at all.
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Reply #15 posted 11/14/20 7:52pm

andrewm7

...and thanks to the magic of bootlegs we know who the narrator of the Cocoa Boys story is and how it ended the first time lol

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Reply #16 posted 11/14/20 10:26pm

udo

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No.

Bootlegged tracks gave me years of (early) enjoyment.

The SDE released provided clear sounding audio, slightly different mixes, etc.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #17 posted 11/15/20 3:02am

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Nope. I could die tomorrow so I wanna hear everything he put to the mic as long as I have ears. Def enjoyed listening to new mixes and better quality the way HE intended and not demo versions.
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Reply #18 posted 11/15/20 4:04am

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It didn't necessarily spoil the experience, but I've listened to the set less overall because of it. And realised I essentially paid around £80 for an over-sized book and DVD, subtracting the approximate value of the CDs, the full contents of which are freely available on YouTube for no charge whatsoever. I understand the need to provide premium box-set content on streaming services and I listen to SOTT SDE on Tidal myself for convenience, but the ENTIRE set being available on YouTube, including even the concert from the DVD (for two weeks) does cheapen the experience. Premium means exclusivity, otherwise it doesn't really mean shit.

Returning to your question, in some cases I've been glad I've listened to the bootleg versions as the Bolas mixes in particular are terrible and not at all in line with Prince's production values or style.
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Reply #19 posted 11/15/20 5:04am

gandorb

There was definitely a bit of a trade-off. I really didn't know much about his bootlegs until I discovered this site within a few days of his death. The first two years after that brought so much joy and excitement as I got my hands on a variety of bootleg material in a rather piecemeal fashion, It perhaps was my favorite thing I have ever done in listening to music, with each new discovery filling me with admiration for Prince as well as the shear fun of making a few dozen playlists of the material. The experience was also be mixed with some grief about what we all lost. So, listening to SOTT SDE can't compete with the process above, but I still enjoy it. Like some othere have said, I don't listen to it as much as I would if it all was entirely new to me. However, I am really glad to have it. Also, I certainly don't regret the bootleg experience for a minute. Nothing Can Compare...

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Reply #20 posted 11/15/20 6:44am

datdude

that's why I hadn't listen. Xmas came early. enjoying these surprises smile
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Reply #21 posted 11/15/20 7:25am

wonderboy

Not in the least. Bootlegs are what kept me into Prince during times it was hard to be fan. At points when I did not like what he was putting out at the time I could always lean on boots from other periods. I'm not taking anything away from him. He's a legend. But for people to say they love everything he put out throughout his long career is ridiculoius.

If it were not for a really impressive bootleg catalog I would have left a long time ago.

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Reply #22 posted 11/15/20 8:16am

MIRvmn

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I would definitely have enjoyed the SOTT SDE more if I hadn't already heard 2/3 of the songs on bootlegs. But still enjoy the set and very happy to have lots of the tracks in good quality now and there was a few great songs I hadn't heard before smile Anyway, I think chances of being surprised are when they start releasing post-1995 vault material.
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Reply #23 posted 11/18/20 1:47pm

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I hate the chewed tape on Wally!!!! Just wanted to get that off my chest.
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Reply #24 posted 11/18/20 4:53pm

slyjackson

Everything is new and a treasure to me, I've just heard before Large Room, Wally, Adonis, Witness, A Place and I thinks that's it, so it's great to discover this amount of material.

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Reply #25 posted 11/18/20 5:50pm

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Dandroppedadime said:

I hate the chewed tape on Wally!!!! Just wanted to get that off my chest.


I'm very glad it's on there - it's great to hear but there surely must be some kind of process or expertise that could have adjusted it?
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Reply #26 posted 11/19/20 4:25am

sulls

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Dandroppedadime said:

I hate the chewed tape on Wally!!!! Just wanted to get that off my chest.

It IS irritating, especially when it's not on the boot version. confused

"I like to watch."
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Reply #27 posted 11/19/20 4:38am

sulls

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For me, it was a little anticlimactic, but hearing much beloved boots now in studio quality is very satisfying. Especially Large Room. cool

"I like to watch."
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Reply #28 posted 11/19/20 5:11am

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iveivan said:

I had heard many of the songs before on various boots without knowing which period most were from. On the SDE they are in context and I am able to appreciate them better.

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That.

Plus the remastered, much better sound quality.

And the chronological thing.

And the fact we're able to relive the 1986-1987 vibe.

smile

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Reply #29 posted 11/19/20 10:11am

Isabel

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udo said:

No.

Bootlegged tracks gave me years of (early) enjoyment.

The SDE released provided clear sounding audio, slightly different mixes, etc.

Me too. There was nothing more exciting in my life than getting bootlegged songs like Witness 4 the Prosecution, A Place in Heaven (Prince vocal), All My Dreams, Welcome 2 the Rat Race (as I thought it was called) etc in 1990. A lot of these songs are still my favourites, and I've been listening to them for 30 years instead of just hearing them for the first time. Lots of these I haven't heard (When the Dawn of the Morning Comes, Love and Sex, There's Something I like About Being Your Fool etc), so it's amazing, lots to learn and enjoy. But back then I was completely obsessed and so hearing unreleased songs then--I just can't explain the pure joy they gave me!

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